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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Sorry if I'm being dense here, but when I re-read this rule, it sounds like it says the opposite of what you are telling me.

I was merely pointing to where the rules address "Bonus Feature Films" - I conscientiously didn't speak out on whether *these* particular examples qualify as I don't own this set, so I really can't make that call. The rule that says:

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Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.


is indeed meant to prevent featurettes getting their own child profiles. Whether these qualify as "Featurettes" or as "Bonus Feature Films" is, again, hard to say without owning this set. They certainly are "video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it" - there's no question about that. Danae Cassandra points out that these two examples "were released as theatrical films in their own right" - and that may be a reason for some to see these as more than just featurettes. The rules really don't make that distinction, don't clarify that, and, as Danae Cassandra points out, they probably never will...
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Sorry if I'm being dense here, but when I re-read this rule, it sounds like it says the opposite of what you are telling me.

I was merely pointing to where the rules address "Bonus Feature Films" - I conscientiously didn't speak out on whether *these* particular examples qualify as I don't own this set, so I really can't make that call. The rule that says:

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Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.


is indeed meant to prevent featurettes getting their own child profiles. Whether these qualify as "Featurettes" or as "Bonus Feature Films" is, again, hard to say without owning this set. They certainly are "video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it" - there's no question about that. Danae Cassandra points out that these two examples "were released as theatrical films in their own right" - and that may be a reason for some to see these as more than just featurettes. The rules really don't make that distinction, don't clarify that, and, as Danae Cassandra points out, they probably never will...



Ok. Good to know. Thanks very much!
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Perhaps this rule needs to be updated?


Because Ken is no longer involved with the maintenance of the forum, the rules will never be updated.

Therefore, we have to infer meaning with what we have. 
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Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.


If we look at Merriam Webster, a featurette is defined as "a short film; especially : a short documentary film about the making of a full-length movie"  Wikipedia quotes the book Movie Money: Understanding Hollywood's (Creative) Accounting Practices that a featurette is "a brief documentary film covering one or more aspects of the film creation process." In other words, a featurette is a short or brief documentary about the making of the film, and neither full-length film in question fills that definition. 

For me, the other key is the word "video."  My take on that part of the rule is that a featurette is something that has been created or included for the video (DVD/blu-ray) release of the film.  Both of these were not created for that purpose, but were released as theatrical films in their own right. 

Now, that's my take on it.  Do I wish that we could get Ken's or Gerri's clarification?  Yes.  But we can't.  We can only work with what we've got.



Works for me. Thanks for taking the time to help me understand.
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For me, the other key is the word "video."  My take on that part of the rule is that a featurette is something that has been created or included for the video (DVD/blu-ray) release of the film.  Both of these were not created for that purpose, but were released as theatrical films in their own right. 

Just for clarification, when you say "a featurette is something that has been created or included for the video (DVD/blu-ray) release of the film", do you mean the initial release ONLY or any release?

For example, if a documentary about the film was created and included with the initial DVD release of the film, it would be considered a featurette.  Years later, this same documentary is included with the Blu-ray release of the film, is it a featurette or a bonus feature film?

My understanding is a featurette is not time dependant, it doesn't matter when it was created, is that right?
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Yes, I would say that whether it was created for this release or a previous one, that's still a featurette (so, for example, all of Peter Jackson's LotR appendices would be featurettes whether on the original DVD release or later blu-ray release).

Basically, as I definite it a featurette must be one (or both) of the following:
- Short (defined per the Academy as under 40 minutes)
- Created for video release (any length)

I would not consider a full-length film, released theatrically or on television (or on it's own disc, if that disc was released first), to ever be a featurette, even if its content would suggest it (like The Making of Fanny and Alexander, or bios included with films starring their actor/director/etc.) 

You know what I wish we had a checkbox for?  Bonus short films, like when they include Looney Tunes shorts with classic film releases.
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Basically, as I definite it a featurette must be one (or both) of the following:
- Short (defined per the Academy as under 40 minutes)
- Created for video release (any length)

I would not consider a full-length film, released theatrically or on television (or on it's own disc, if that disc was released first), to ever be a featurette, even if its content would suggest it (like The Making of Fanny and Alexander, or bios included with films starring their actor/director/etc.) 

"Created for video release (any length)" is puzzling. So a documentary on the film that was 60 mins long that was included on the initial DVD release would be a featurette , but on a subsequent Blu-ray release years later, the same documentary included would not be considered a featurette, am I inferring correctly?
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No, you are not inferring correctly.  Sorry, this is going to get really wordy, and that's just me trying to be as clear as possible here.

For example, the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings on DVD had extensive behind the scenes extras.  Like two discs of them.  The Appendices.  Hours of extras, created for those release.  Those are featurettes.

The Appendices are later included in the extended release on blu-ray.  Those are still featurettes.  They are originally created for video release to accompany The Lord of the Rings.

As I said above, for me a featurette must be one (or both) of the following
- Short (defined per the Academy as under 40 minutes)
- Created for video release (any length)

Therefore, a featurette can be of any length so long as it was created for video release as a featurette with another film.

I'll explain what I mean, with the following hypothetical scenario.

Let's say there was a very famous actor named John Doe.  He stars in a lot of films.  Someone makes a biography documentary of him, we'll call it The Life and Times of John Doe! 

In my opinion:

It's a bonus film if:
- It was released first theatrically
- It was released first on television
- It was released first on DVD, as it's own separate release
- AND it's over 40 minutes long

It's a featurette if:
- It is created to accompany another video release
- OR it's a short film (under 40 minutes)

So if the bio is created to accompany the release of John Doe's Biggest Film when it comes out on DVD, that's a featurette, even if it's feature length.  If Biggest Film is later released on blu-ray, and it accompanies it, that's still a featurette.

If the bio was originally a stand alone feature, no matter how it was released, I think it's a bonus film (unless it's length classifies it as a short).
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Thank you for your detailed explanation and examples, much appreciated.

As a further example, how would you tackle the DVD and Blu-ray releases of "Yankee Doodle Dandy" from Warner Bros. (released on DVD in 2003 and Blu-ray in 2014).

Both releases had the same 45 minute documentary "Let Freedom Sing!: The Story of Yankee Doodle Dandy" included (made in 2003), with the DVD listing it as a featurette and the Blu-ray listing it as a Bonus Feature film.

Based on your guidelines, I'm thinking the Blu-ray should list the documentary as a featurette?
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If it was made for the DVD, it should be a featurette.

Which means I handled it wrongly, thinking it was made for TV.  Live and learn.
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