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Time to say goodbye!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Registered: May 25, 2007
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It finally happened! According to too much troubles in here I got sick of invelos/DVD Profilerand will leave until there are massive changes. The ones who follow the forums might have recognized some of the threads I posted and except of quite a little few personal issues, the rest is technical stuff and it contains on people not doing their job correctly to my bad luck.

For sure here are the guys who post each and every time if technical issues come up that only Ken can solve them. Sorry to say, but I can't imagine that there is nobody here around who is able to contact this "Holy Ken", the godfather of invelos to make him perfectly clear, that without his return all the holes in the system are only adhesively plastered. And the number of plasters grows every day.

For me it sounds like a bad joke if someone protects the screeners for releasing false profiles with the argument "they don't have the DVD in front of them". But I think they are able to read, aren't they? And - most importand thing - the know the rules! If I am right with the last two points, things like my creations of disc profiles with more movies on one disc could never have happened.

As far as I know I don't know any screener or at least don't know if one of the guys I communicate with is one. Is it laziness or something else? Within this year I checked my whole collection where data is missing here in the database and entered all cast & crew of the credits. The confusing thing was to find 20 - 30 profiles in my collection which aren't here anymore. And I re-contributed them, always with a message to the screener when I originally added them to my collection. I still would like to know how this could have happened but no matter how many times I started my contribution with "@SCREENER", I never ever recieved any PM from them. So I still don't know if anybody ever has checked why or how official profiles were deleted and if it is sure that it won't happen again in the future. NO ONE CARES ABOUT!

The latest problem was the destruction of my original profile (wrongly more movies in one Disc-Profile) according to the rules. But that isn't the only reason to use the "Alternative Version" for. A couple of weeks before someone didn't use the "AV" to keep the covers of both different version of one TV Show (one is the single release of every series, the other is the whole series), no, he simply replaced all the excisting covers with his scans - instead of creating alternative versions for each disc. Once more the work of hours was destroyed! Thank you!

And there are all the technical problems which are urgently neccessary to be solved: Why could an update replace cast/crew without BY with someone with BY but not the other way round? If it is neccessary to do additional manual corrections after an update, what are the updates good for if they don't replace wrong data?

Back to the Alternative Versions: The rules have been modified for the last time more than 5 years ago. Every little change I tried to establish for an easier handling of a (at least huge) collection have been blocked. And strangly enough once again some of my contributions have been released alltough they didn't follow the rules.

Next technical step: I can vote for contributions or against them but nobody has been able to modify the site at least so see the parsing of a name. And we still have enough contributors who change the correct parsing with their updates to a wrong one.

Not to mention that too many people in here seem to be satisfied with the imdb-data. For myself I have to say: I use it if the profile doesn't have any data and I got no time to fill it with the credits. But there are enough who avoid this work, no matter if there is correct data on imdb or not. And by typing thousands of series episodes I had to find out that there is too much cast & crew with no coincidence of imdb and the real episode credits.

To make this not a novel but at least to mention it: We only can separate the same name by BYs. But after all these years there wasn't found any solution to separate two persons with the same name AND the same BY. As the rules still don't handle this, wrong data is automatically "correct" according to the rules.

I've spent quite a lot of time to do several thousands of contributions but for most of the problems there are no solutions, only flimsy excuses, shifting everything to the fault of Ken. I can spend my time with much better things than wasting it for a community which doesn't exsit anymore and where one hand doesn't know what the other does!

Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
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Once more the work of hours was destroyed! Thank you!

If you will take the mindset that all your work was to improve your personal database then you should feel much better because you still have that.  If contributing those updates causes you grief then you should obviously stop. 

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Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!

Thank you.  It's been serving me pretty well and I hope to continue with it for a long while to come.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
DVDP User Since 2007
Registered: March 18, 2007
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It's been serving me pretty well and I hope to continue with it for a long while to come.


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreommen
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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...Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!


Well... Dr. Fr. did a pretty good job in keeping the monster alive that way...

Seriously though, There are some frustrations I share and some I don't. But the platform is too convenient not to use to add data to a disk bought.

That said, the financing model of DVDprofiler is proving not the best now Joe Public, also across this user community and across many countries, is turning to streaming services rather then disk buying. For good or bad, it is what it is. I do understand that evaluating contributions is now highly if not 100% fully automated. Because where is the revenue to pay for the time 'screeners' would spend? Hence no screener responses. Contribution remarks aim primarily now to help would-be contributors in understanding.
I hope Invelos will keep finding the funds to keep the site running.

Naming (and BY) issues have been contentious here for years. As are the legal issues when using IMDB data. Personal pet peeve is people having problems with middle names, as here these are given names, not surnames. But others rigorously split surnames. I guess it is a cultural issue, thing being different in different countries. No need to start a new thread on this, there are already so many threads on name issues.
As suggested by Scotthm, one's personal database is the one true gem.

As the Dutch saying goes (roughly translated), don't throw away the kid when you empty the tub...
Eric

If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
Aim high. Ride the wind.
Registered: March 18, 2007
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...Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!

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As the Dutch saying goes (roughly translated), don't throw away the kid when you empty the tub...

I enjoyed your post. I share many of your thoughts.

The American English version of the Dutch saying that I learned was "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water."

Here is something I found on a web site called Deep English:

"Many English idioms come from centuries ago. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater means to be careful not to throw away good things when you are throwing away bad things. In the middle ages, people lived without the luxury of running water. Back in those days, everyone shared the same bathwater. The father of the house bathed first, and the mother bathed next. The children would bathe last. By this time, the water was so dirty that you couldn’t see through it and might accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater. This expression was borrowed from German in the 1800s."
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreommen
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... The American English version of the Dutch saying that I learned was "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water." ...


Actually, that is almost literally the Dutch saying as well (Gooi het kind niet weg met het badwater). But I wasn't sure about the translation for badwater, hence the alternate version. And using 'tub' looked nice  .
Eric

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantwoodg
Registered: March 21, 2007
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... The American English version of the Dutch saying that I learned was "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water." ...



This is the Australian version too.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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"This expression was borrowed from German in the 1800s."


Das Kind nicht mit dem Bade auschütten!
Karsten
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGeneinOrlando
Registered: June 22, 2007
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Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!


Magmadrag .... as you, I departed a few months ago. I've ended up with your neighbors in Amsterdam. Great company! Movie Collectorz.com. Began using the stand alone program but have gone to the online version "MovieConnect" and it's great. No comparison to profiler. It's not free, but, very reasonable. Check it out!

Gene

My Collection on Movie Connect
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantPWolverine
Registered: March 21, 2007
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Goody bye and good luck keeping this corpse alive with more plasters!


Magmadrag .... as you, I departed a few months ago. I've ended up with your neighbors in Amsterdam. Great company! Movie Collectorz.com. Began using the stand alone program but have gone to the online version "MovieConnect" and it's great. No comparison to profiler. It's not free, but, very reasonable. Check it out!

Gene

My Collection on Movie Connect


I had a look at Collectorz a while back, but I think its way overpriced if you want to use desktop+mobile.  At $54au a year ongoing subscription I personally don't think it is worth it, but a lot of people do and I understand that. 

For me, DVDProfiler still works great, and i'd be happy to chuck some cash towards further development if that ever happens.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGeneinOrlando
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For me, DVDProfiler still works great, and i'd be happy to chuck some cash towards further development if that ever happens.


Your collection size is still quite manageable in profiler. I HAD to leave as I had outgrown it, and Magmadrag was approaching maxing it out, as well. As far as chucking more cash towards profiler .... who you giving it to? No one's left there to do anything, is there?

Gene
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For me, DVDProfiler still works great, and i'd be happy to chuck some cash towards further development if that ever happens.


Your collection size is still quite manageable in profiler. I HAD to leave as I had outgrown it, and Magmadrag was approaching maxing it out, as well. As far as chucking more cash towards profiler .... who you giving it to? No one's left there to do anything, is there?

Gene


Wow, ok thats totally fair enough.  Whats the maximum titles you can add?  I didn't realise there was a maximum. . One day... I may outgrow it.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Whats the maximum titles you can add?  I didn't realise there was a maximum. . One day... I may outgrow it.


I currently have 7,212 profiles in my collection and the database is 457 MB and 1.55 GB in cover images.
Karsten
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGeneinOrlando
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Whats the maximum titles you can add?  I didn't realise there was a maximum. . One day... I may outgrow it.


I currently have 7,212 profiles in my collection and the database is 457 MB and 1.55 GB in cover images.


You have a long way to go .... Think I had problems when I was around 31K .... now approaching 35K.
Gene

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One hundred percent agree
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Think I had problems when I was around 31K .... now approaching 35K.


I don't think I'll ever get there. But 32K is a very specific number in computer circles, 32,767 to be exact. It's where 16bit numbers run out of storage memory. It might be possible that this is indeed a database or program limitation.
Karsten
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