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If they've been rejected, it's because the number and locality didn't match. They need to be entered like this:



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buycott says the John Adams DVD is from the United Kingdom and find-DVD says is from the UK with an RRP of £8.99.
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5099921658297 looks like it may be a UK release from the back cover. It has our "E - Exempt from classification" banner, and our FACT logo, on the back. But as it is a music release it's probably released in many countries.

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This backcover is a German release: it contains the German FSK-12 Sticker.

This is the reason, why I did not insist in 50 is UK. Sometimes like here, there is only one UPC - and only one company producing a disc - but many covers using the same UPC/EAN for many locations. This is why the locality is NOT checked for the UPC being valid for the specific locality...
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This backcover is a German release: it contains the German FSK-12 Sticker.

This is the reason, why I did not insist in 50 is UK. Sometimes like here, there is only one UPC - and only one company producing a disc - but many covers using the same UPC/EAN for many locations. This is why the locality is NOT checked for the UPC being valid for the specific locality...

Do you have any idea why this has the British 'exempt from classification' wording and find-DVD describe it as a UK DVD with release date and RRP?
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Exactly, we have in the Netherlands the same UK release, with english cover etc, yet Bol states this as a release from the Netherlands, so either multiple countries will have to use the same EAN.
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Indeed: this is not only a British release, or only a German release, but a release intended for both markets - and probably more. The UK users will immediately recognise the "Exempt" logo and will therefore be sure it's a UK release, and the German users will immediately recognise the "FSK-12" logo, and will therefore be sure it's a German release. The reality is that it was always intented for multiple markets. Generally, you'll find that such discs are submitted into multiple localities - each under the same EAN.
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According to the EAN codes 5099921658297 is UK and 7318599916781 swedish...
-> Country codes

As jurgen42u pointed out, EANs starting with 50 or 73 are also used Dutch and Belgian releases, but much more localities: also Germany, France, and other European countries. That list on Wikipedia doesn't seem to correspond with reality at all.
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Exactly, we have in the Netherlands the same UK release, with English cover, etc, yet Bol states this as a release from the Netherlands, so either multiple countries will have to use the same EAN.


Correct, quite often the cover does read "Manufactured and printed in the EU" and also multiple rating info for several different countries is shown.

Personally, I do not rely on websites such as bol.com with regards to the country of release.
When checking on upcitemdb.com I do see the U.K. Country of Registration, but this still is no guarantee that this disc was manufactured there or specif for the U.K. market.

In this case, chances are big that this very DVD was manufactured in The Netherlands (EMI Uden to be precise), but since EMI Uden did manufacture media content (CD's, DVD's, etc.) for worldwide distribution this would not imply that this specific disc was released solely for the Dutch market, but rather for the European market as a whole. (note: EMI Uden was taken over in 2004 by MediaMotion).
Edit: I had to check the cover much better, the copyright does show 2008, so this definitely could not have been produced by EMI Uden.  

And also interesting to see the FSK logo on the back cover, which would give it away that this DVD was classified for Germany with a label from April 2003 to December 2008 (that, and the production year of 2002), but does not automatically imply this disc was released for the German market. However, since January 2009 the German FSK logo is also mandatory shown on the front cover and could imply that the release indeed is for the German market, because outside Germany (and partly Austria, but I think AiAustria does know more about it) you won't see that FSK logo on the front that often.

Long story short, this DVD could be registered for many country localities. But the U.S. and Canada are not one of those, since the barcode has the 13 digit EAN norm instead of the 12 digit UPC.

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong about the above info.
I tried to do my research to the best of my knowledge, but this does not mean I am 100% sure about everything. 
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Indeed: this is not only a British release, or only a German release, but a release intended for both markets - and probably more. The UK users will immediately recognise the "Excempt" logo and will therefore be sure it's a UK release, and the German users will immediately recognise the "FSK-12" logo, and will therefore be sure it's a German release. The reality is that it was always intented for multiple markets. Generally, you'll find that such discs are included in multiple localities - each with the same EAN.


When typing my whole essay I could have just said this. 
This is indeed the thing here with EU releases.
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According to the EAN codes 5099921658297 is UK and 7318599916781 swedish...
-> Country codes

As jurgen42u pointed out, EANs starting with 50 or 73 are also used Dutch and Belgian releases, but much more localities: also UK, Germany, France, and other European countries. That list on Wikipedia doesn't seem to correspond with reality at all.

The EAN/GTIN coding is not arbitrary. The codes starting with 50xxx are assigned by the UK branch of GS1 for UK companies. There is no other way to get a (valid) 50xxx EAN than the GS1.

This means a product using a 50xxx EAN was "designed" by an UK company. It does not say much about, if it was produced in the UK or for which markets (our localities) the product was produced.

Concerning BD/DVD/...: there are often international releases, which are produced in one country (musical and show media often in UK) and get only a shrink wrap with the local rating or marketing titles... since BeNeLux has less synchronized titles you see more international releases there...
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https://dh.gs1us.org/GEPIR/home/GTINSearch tells us, that

509 9921

is assigned to:

UMG Supply Chain Ltd
Pancras Square 4
London N1C 4AG
GB
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https://dh.gs1us.org/GEPIR/home/GTINSearch tells us, that

509 9921

is assigned to:

UMG Supply Chain Ltd
Pancras Square 4
London N1C 4AG
GB


Ah, so upcitemdb.com indeed does give the right localisation info.
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According to the EAN codes 5099921658297 is UK and 7318599916781 swedish...
-> Country codes



According to the GS1, the GTIN prefix of 731859 is owned by BIS Records AB in Sweden and the prefix of 5099221 is owned by UMG Supply Chain Ltd in the UK.
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[...] a product using a 50xxx EAN was "designed" by an UK company. It does not say much about, if it was produced in the UK or for which markets (our localities) the product was produced.

But does it really matter who "designed" it, for our purposes? Again, that John Adams DVD also includes a German rating on the cover - that will inevitably mean that German buyers will enter it into the German locality. And UK buyers will recognise the UK "Exempt" rating, and will therefore contribute it into the UK locality. I don't think we'll ever be able to put an end to that, and I'm not convinced that that's really a problem, either.
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[...] there are often international releases, which are produced in one country (musical and show media often in UK) and get only a shrink wrap with the local rating or marketing titles...

Again, EANs starting with 50 are sold all over Europe. They're not just music releases, also thousands and thousands of regular movie releases, and they are, in the vast majority of cases, not UK covers with a shrink wrap and/or a sticker with some localized informaton - no, these mostly have fully customized local covers: a French disc with an EAN starting with 50 will have a French-language cover, a German disc starting with 50 will have a German-language cover, and so on. E-tailers in those countries will show individual release dates and SRP's for those discs in their respectieve localities. The fact that the EANs came from UMG Supply Chain in London does not turn these French and German DVD releases into UK DVD releases. IMHO, they're still French and German releases, no matter where the parent office assigning the EAN is located.

In short, I'm not buying the line of reasoning that because the EAN-range starting with 50 is assigned to an office of Universal in London, all releases starting with 50 therefore automatically belong in the UK locality. That's just not accurate. Again, DVD's with EAN's starting with 50 are sold all over Europe, with localized covers and local release dates/SRP's. Those really don't belong in the UK locality.
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