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I just moved all my television shows to the Ordered category.  That way I can see them in the online.

Of course, that only works if you're not using that section for stuff on order.
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Personally, my favorite streaming service, and the only one I watch with any consistency, is Kanopy.  Which is free with my public library card.  So much unique stuff that's just not available otherwise.
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If it was made for the DVD, it should be a featurette.

Which means I handled it wrongly, thinking it was made for TV.  Live and learn.
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No, you are not inferring correctly.  Sorry, this is going to get really wordy, and that's just me trying to be as clear as possible here.

For example, the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings on DVD had extensive behind the scenes extras.  Like two discs of them.  The Appendices.  Hours of extras, created for those release.  Those are featurettes.

The Appendices are later included in the extended release on blu-ray.  Those are still featurettes.  They are originally created for video release to accompany The Lord of the Rings.

As I said above, for me a featurette must be one (or both) of the following
- Short (defined per the Academy as under 40 minutes)
- Created for video release (any length)

Therefore, a featurette can be of any length so long as it was created for video release as a featurette with another film.

I'll explain what I mean, with the following hypothetical scenario.

Let's say there was a very famous actor named John Doe.  He stars in a lot of films.  Someone makes a biography documentary of him, we'll call it The Life and Times of John Doe! 

In my opinion:

It's a bonus film if:
- It was released first theatrically
- It was released first on television
- It was released first on DVD, as it's own separate release
- AND it's over 40 minutes long

It's a featurette if:
- It is created to accompany another video release
- OR it's a short film (under 40 minutes)

So if the bio is created to accompany the release of John Doe's Biggest Film when it comes out on DVD, that's a featurette, even if it's feature length.  If Biggest Film is later released on blu-ray, and it accompanies it, that's still a featurette.

If the bio was originally a stand alone feature, no matter how it was released, I think it's a bonus film (unless it's length classifies it as a short).
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Yes, I would say that whether it was created for this release or a previous one, that's still a featurette (so, for example, all of Peter Jackson's LotR appendices would be featurettes whether on the original DVD release or later blu-ray release).

Basically, as I definite it a featurette must be one (or both) of the following:
- Short (defined per the Academy as under 40 minutes)
- Created for video release (any length)

I would not consider a full-length film, released theatrically or on television (or on it's own disc, if that disc was released first), to ever be a featurette, even if its content would suggest it (like The Making of Fanny and Alexander, or bios included with films starring their actor/director/etc.) 

You know what I wish we had a checkbox for?  Bonus short films, like when they include Looney Tunes shorts with classic film releases.
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Quoting legolad:
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Perhaps this rule needs to be updated?


Because Ken is no longer involved with the maintenance of the forum, the rules will never be updated.

Therefore, we have to infer meaning with what we have. 
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Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.


If we look at Merriam Webster, a featurette is defined as "a short film; especially : a short documentary film about the making of a full-length movie"  Wikipedia quotes the book Movie Money: Understanding Hollywood's (Creative) Accounting Practices that a featurette is "a brief documentary film covering one or more aspects of the film creation process." In other words, a featurette is a short or brief documentary about the making of the film, and neither full-length film in question fills that definition. 

For me, the other key is the word "video."  My take on that part of the rule is that a featurette is something that has been created or included for the video (DVD/blu-ray) release of the film.  Both of these were not created for that purpose, but were released as theatrical films in their own right. 

Now, that's my take on it.  Do I wish that we could get Ken's or Gerri's clarification?  Yes.  But we can't.  We can only work with what we've got.
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The Making of Fanny and Alexander gets its own disc because it is a separate film directed by Bergman, released four years after Fanny and Alexander.  So it's not a featurette, but a film in its own right.  So it having a separate profile is correct.

Also, ...But Film is My Mistress is not a featurette, but again, a separate film in its own right that was released at Cannes, just placed on the Additional Features disc because it's a film about Bergman rather than a film by Bergman.  As a film, it falls under the rule for "Bonus Feature Films" (found in the Disc Features section of the rules).  It is also a correct profile.
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Check your profile to make certain that you have not locked the box set contents.  If that isn't the problem with downloading the child profiles, as a next step I'd run a database repair and try again.  Then if that didn't solve the issue with downloading the children, I'd delete the entire box set and add it to my collection again.
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I also have Ingmar Bergman's Cinema and all the child profiles for the films already exist.  Try Online -> Refresh DVD from Invelos -> Check for Child Profiles
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Treat like episodes. 

Examples would include Looney Tunes: Platinum Collection: Volume One (UPC 883929192915) or Art of the Short Film (UPC 616892264309)
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I see that a lot on National Geographic specials.  I always enter the studio as a group header, and then the producer under it.
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If they wrote the theme, either music or lyrics, that's Theme By.
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I believe they are likely deriving the / from the convention for sets like this one (sample picture below), wherein you would enter the title of the parent profile as Devils of Darkness / Witchcraft

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Currently, all but vol. 5 are in the database in the following format:

The Universal Horror Collection: Volume #: Film Title/Film Title/Film Title/Film Title

Vol. 5 is what I consider correct - The Universal Horror Collection: Volume 5

I didn't like that when I got them, so I corrected it locally.  I never submitted the change because I didn't feel like fighting about it.  But I personally don't feel that the title is correct as is in the online db.
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Universal Horror Collection: Volume 5

The way I see it the posters advert the contents of the set, so are not part of the parent profile title.
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Well, a pinned thread for this already exists - here. I'm not sure how you would best draw from that for your CastCrewCheck program, though.

Yeah, I'd need something a lot better structured than that.

I think the questions that would have to be answered before someone might volunteer, would be
- What would "better structured" look like?
- How often would it need to be updated?  (daily, weekly, monthly?)
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His stage name has no credits in the database either, so that's incorrect.

At this point you just pick one of the two credited, and enter the other as credited as.
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I can go along with this reading of the rules.  From a certain perspective, even the Blade Runner set still conforms, since it contains a 3+ hour documentary along with the three cuts of the film.  So it technically does contain more than one film, even if the other one is a doc on the film.
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Quoting huskersports:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the longest running time cut would be the parent profile and the other would be child profiles?

Yes, if it's set up as bonus feature films.  If it's set it up as a box set that wouldn't matter.
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Seems like the same sort of set as Blade Runner: 5 Disc Collector's Edition, which is set up as a box set.
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Sounds good.  Life's too short to put up with someone who can't, at minimum, be civil in a dispute.
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As Psycho from Texas is a feature film, it would fit the rules on being included as a child profile.


I think the point of dispute is whether to set up the profile this way (bonus feature film):

The Gates of Hell
-- Psycho From Texas

or this way (box set):

The Gates of Hell / Psycho from Texas
-- The Gates of Hell
-- Psycho From Texas

I agree with GSyren that the two sides give different impressions.  If the spine says "The Gates of Hell" then I'd set it up as the first option (bonus feature film).
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Yup, to link the new children to the parent in the online db, you have to submit the parent profile with the new children attached.  Then, when another user goes to update their database, that update will offer to download new child profiles.  Sure, they'll have to delete the previous incorrect ones, but the new ones will download and associate as long as the other user doesn't have the profile locked.
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What I said is that people are more willing to purchase physical copies of stuff that is either "special" or hard to find otherwise. That can be the newest blockbuster with outstanding CGI or a rarely seen screwball comedy.


Agreed.  The boutique label stuff sells very well for us when we get it (which isn't often), as do older films (like classic Hollywood) and the new big blockbusters.  But when people call up and ask if we buy dvds, and I say 'some,' and then they're like, what are you looking for, the easiest way to answer is 'if it was ever in a $5 bin at Wal-Mart, I don't want it.'  Because all of that's on streaming, and the physical media buyers already own it.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like streaming as a concept, but I don't personally see it as a replacement for physical media, for me it's something that's in addition to physical media.  It's an expense that could be cut if necessary for the budget, and by the nature of my job I've built a large enough collection that if I had to do that, I wouldn't suffer.
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Am I right with that presumption or IS there a connection of the alternative versions? Which means: If anybody does an updated contribution for "ABC #2" it is also done for "ABC" and "ABC #1"?


No. Only the profile that you have in your local database will be updated. If I have ABC #1 and update it, only ABC #1 will be updated with that change.

Yes, what husker says here.  Like all other changes to profiles, they only effect the one you submit.
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