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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
I'm not interested in a user written overview. You can suggest that yourself if you want that. You completely missed the point. Am i surprised...sadly ii am not. You revealed too much about your lack of knowledge already.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | About the only thing I have learned from the brief months I have been around here is that there are always topics covering all sorts of ideas, rules etc. However they are all moot and all those topics may as well be deleted from the forums. Perhaps we would all be better off if we started talking about ways we can support Invelos and the database. Ways we can improve things and even assist in the design. It's obvious that even if a consensus of opinion does come on a certain topic it can take years to be added to the software/database/rules whatever. This is what we should all be trying to think of ways to improve. Otherwise this nice piece of software has the possibility of becoming irrelevant if it can't keep up with changes in media releases. Already there are questions on 3D, blu-ray, combo packs and god knows what else the media companies will start releasing next year - maybe blu-ray one side of disc and dvd the other (jk  ). So lets start thinking of ways to help. Heaven forbid we may even get somewhere and Addidcted2DVD and others might not have to wait 3 years for their ideas to be implemented. We already have a situation where a few people do most of the contributions (so I am told), we don't want to see that decrease in the future, we want the numbers to increase. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was no more then trying to be sure you realized that it would most likely be a long and possibly aggravating process... something I personally know very well. As I said... I had some things I was trying to get into the program for YEARS... and just now got them with the current release. And there is many ideas I been supporting for YEARS that we still haven't gotten.
Should you make such a request? Totally up to you. If it is something you feel strongly about.. that you really want an additional Overview field... go for it and good luck to you! I just wanted to be sure you realized it is something that could possibly take a very long time. It could even be something that other users don't care for the idea and vote against the idea (which they have just as much right to do as you have to make a request).
It is like this... Would I make the request? No but only because it isn't something I person care about. But if I did make the request I would expect both support for the idea as well as possibly people not caring for it and going against the idea. And I would definitely expect a long process trying to get it. Especially if it is not a popular request.
Would I personally go against this request? As long as it is done correctly (being able to hide the field like we can most the others)... in that case I have no problem with it being there so wouldn't go against it. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You completely missed the point. Am i surprised...sadly ii am not. You revealed too much about your lack of knowledge already. No, you did that. And I'm not surprised, I have read some of your older posts in other threads.  And you know what? I have stopped actually reading your posts. (I have my reasons for that.) | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
| | Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I was no more then trying to be sure you realized that it would most likely be a long and possibly aggravating process... something I personally know very well. As I said... I had some things I was trying to get into the program for YEARS... and just now got them with the current release. And there is many ideas I been supporting for YEARS that we still haven't gotten.
Should you make such a request? Totally up to you. If it is something you feel strongly about.. that you really want an additional Overview field... go for it and good luck to you! I just wanted to be sure you realized it is something that could possibly take a very long time. It could even be something that other users don't care for the idea and vote against the idea (which they have just as much right to do as you have to make a request).
It is like this... Would I make the request? No but only because it isn't something I person care about. But if I did make the request I would expect both support for the idea as well as possibly people not caring for it and going against the idea. And I would definitely expect a long process trying to get it. Especially if it is not a popular request.
Would I personally go against this request? As long as it is done correctly (being able to hide the field like we can most the others)... in that case I have no problem with it being there so wouldn't go against it. Thanks, and thanks for clarifying. And I respect that. | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Force
When I explain things to you, even the rationale, you never even offered any indication of any sort of comprehension , you just came back to what you want to heck with anything. The image presented was that of a child kicking and screaming I want it my way. When someone offers detail dnd ecplanation, show some understanding. We've seen things done your way and the database was a complete wreck. I can offer you stories and examples, but you have only demonstrated another, noooo, I want it my way. Try bk.com. I want nothing to do with any sort of user interpretation of data in any form. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting force:
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I'm not interested in a user written overview. You can suggest that yourself if you want that.
You completely missed the point. Am i surprised...sadly ii am not. You revealed too much about your lack of knowledge already. Glad to see the douchery has returned to the forum. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
Spelling errors can also easily be verified by checking a dictionary. You are missing the point. A dictionary is an outside source, it isn't part of the item that you purchased, the disc is. If you don't understand the distinction, then I honestly don't know what to say. Quote:
If it is that important to collect data from the cover exactly as it is, errors in subtitles, audio tracks, running time etc. etc. should also be collected exactly as it is on the cover. That will make it consistent. Who said it was important? The overview isn't found anywhere else in the release, so we have no choice but to collect that data from the cover. Technical data, which is where you are hanging your hat, can be verified by checking the physical disc. Since you sidestepped the question the last time I asked it, I will ask it again, where would you draw the line and why? I can find quite a few books on propper grammar. Since I can, can I correct any grammatical mistakes that I find? Often, I can find better overviews on-line. Can I correct the overview because I don't believe it to be correct? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 24, 2012 |  Posts: 42 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Also to me, personally, this is mainly a collection software, where we enter information persistent to the release. Overview is part of this release specific information and it is what it is for each release, regardless of its possible errors in grammar or typos.
Do we all agree to this? It is important to understand/agree to what purpose the overview field has. When I first started this thread I thought this field was serving as an overview for other people to read in order to get a basic summary from, or information about, the movie. Let's say if some guests are visiting and wants to see a movie. Instead of pulling out all boxes with covers, they could simply log into the Invelos database and decide from there what movies they want to see. From this perspective writing an overview from a complete different movie as described earlier in this thread would be complete nonsense. But if the purpose with the overview field is to document what's on the cover - no more, no less - then an accurate transcription would make sense. Initially I didn't thought this was the purpose, since it would be more logical to look up the cover scans in this case. That's why I wondered if I did interpret the rules correctly. Seems to me I didn't... | | | | Last edited: by superted |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
So what. It was brought up her and I think it is great. I doesn't matter to me if it is a rules change or a program change as long as it will make more people happy.  But you don't know that it will make more people happy, you are just making an assumption because it would make you happy...not that there is anything wrong with that. Would it make more people happy? I don't know. I do know that it would make those that consider this collection software less happy. Speaking for myself, I honestly don't care as the spelling errors don't keep me from understanding what the overview says. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
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I do know that it would make those that consider this collection software less happy. You are just making an assumption too. I don't really see why those that consider this collection software should be less happy, if they can choose to have the program display the overview the same way as they are used to or to have the program display an alternate overview. Please explain. Maybe even someone will like that better, because they will have an alternative if they change their mind later on. Or they could change back and forth when they wish, if they want to print a report or if get visitors or something. (Like superted says.) btw. Good post superted.  Thinking on and understanding the purpose is a number one when designing databases. And I'm thinking on the purpose the same way as you are. I see the other possibility too (exact copy w/ errors), but I can't see that as useful in the same way when we already have the scans. But if you can have both ... ??  | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ted
We, back in the bad old days, used to be able to write the overview. This led to constant updates to titles as users battled over who would write the best overview, in their opinion and wanted theirs to be online. It was insane..
Let me give you another examples. Users could actually affect the sorting of titles online. So some users, thinking of no one but themselves, would reasonably decide that they wanted all the james bond films together. So, they would create a title james bond 004-thunderball. , sounds like agood idea. The only beneficiary was thT user, along comes Ted. And he searches on thunderball and cant find it, he ise searching the title , he doesnt know some user had corrupted the system. Ken finally tried a public statement sort=title, of course that did not stop these selfish users from doing what they wanted. So finally kenfinally said online sort will be determined by invelos, the only sort you can affect is your own. That is because of some users, like some here, who simply wanted things their way and they didnt care about any other user any where. In fact, the common refrain in the forums was a have guidelines, we dont HAVE to follow guidelines. So they became RULES and they will be followed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting superted: Quote:
When I first started this thread I thought this field was serving as an overview for other people to read in order to get a basic summary from, or information about, the movie. Let's say if some guests are visiting and wants to see a movie. Instead of pulling out all boxes with covers, they could simply log into the Invelos database and decide from there what movies they want to see. From this perspective writing an overview from a complete different movie as described earlier in this thread would be complete nonsense.
But if the purpose with the overview field is to document what's on the cover - no more, no less - then an accurate transcription would make sense. Initially I didn't thought this was the purpose, since it would be more logical to look up the cover scans in this case. That's why I wondered if I did interpret the rules correctly. Seems to me I didn't... Luckily, this software can serve both purposes. Or is there anything right now that prevents you from setting up your own database exactly as you describe it? Or why do you need the online to be identical to yours? Once you have uploaded the changes to your collection, everyone will see your profile exactly as you would (with the exception for custom cover scans). | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
I don't really see why those that consider this collection software should be less happy, if they can choose to have the program display the overview the same way as they are used to or to have the program display an alternate overview. Please explain.
Maybe even someone will like that better, because they will have an alternative if they change their mind later on. Or they could change back and forth when they wish, if they want to print a report or if get visitors or something. (Like superted says.)
btw. Good post superted. Thinking on and understanding the purpose is a number one when designing databases. And I'm thinking on the purpose the same way as you are. I see the other possibility too (exact copy), but I can't see that as useful in the same way when we already have the scans. But if you can have both ... ?? We already have both. See above. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
We already have both. See above. Now, please. It has nothing to do with online (web) display. We want to download (already corrected) overviews and contribute (corrected) overviews exactly as we do with every other field. No need for an online DB at all if everyone should fill in all their own fields. | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <shakes head>sadly | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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