Quoting hal9g:

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Forgive me, but, I do not recognize the crew job which you are referring to: "Parade Participant"

There is nothing to forgive.  You should now be enlightened

Quoting hal9g:

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Although, admittedly, I have not seen all films ever made, I must admit, that I have never seen any reference material which describes the movie crew job titled "Parade Participant".

It is appreciated that you establish the limits of your knowledge before you base a conclusion on that knowledge

Quoting hal9g:

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It would be ever so helpful, if you could provide us with a link or two that would help educate us on the specific duties of this crew position.

You are asking the wrong person.  It wasn't my idea to list them as crew, it was the Film-Maker's.

Quoting hal9g:

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Another non-sensical thread debating absurd concepts which a third-grader would have no trouble grasping.

I agree. I would expect a third grader to be able to judge the merits of an argument based on the evidence presented.  I'm not sure why you've called it non-sensical though.

Quoting hal9g:

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If a person appears in the film, is listed by name in the film credits and does not have a crew job associated with them, then they must be a member of the cast, regardless of where their name appears in the credits.

The definition of "Standard Credits" as spelled out in the Rules is a rare breed indeed.  Most films have non-standard credits per DVDP rules, including this one.

Ah, I see what you're driving at.  You think that the Film-Maker would follow a standard formula for deriving crew member status (and position), but that the same "logical-thinker" wouldn't follow the accepted standard of grouping cast members together, with a separate crew section.

I don't agree with the idea of attributing inconsistent thought processes to the Film-Maker.

Quoting tiger_lil6:

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I've read through the rules, and if there is something in there saying that someone has to be listed in a specific spot in the credits to be included in a contribution, I can't find it.  Of course, I wasn't one of the select few that helped create the rules, so I guess I'm just too dense to understand what is in the rules now.  - That was sarcasm, just in case anyone wondered.

Is that part of the rules, that no one else can find, written in some sort of secret code?  Do I need a super secret decorder ring to be able to read all the rules?

100% agree. I have already voted yes to this contribution and will copy and paste (and submit it) to the other copy of this movie I own. My thanks to the contributor.

Aren't extras cast in a movie/tv series?

Then being "cast" in a production equates to being a "cast" member, does it not?

Quoting hal9g:

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You still haven't told us what "crew job" they performed.

Please pick up from my answer, rather than just repeating your question.  It avoids a repetitious cycle of asking the same question and giving the same answer.

Perhaps, next time I'll just ignore your question - but where would that get us?  You ignoring my answers and me ignoring your questions

CubbyUps - I haven't got time to talk about this now, but you will have heard of contractors and sub-contractors?  Just because you're sub-contracted to a job, it doesn't necessarily mean you get, or deserve, to share the "limelight" with the "stars".

If you guys think your way is sensible, then go for it.  Penning the name of every "might have been" into the cast certainly isn't something I would do and/or, it having been done, something I would read.  I'm sure there must be some value in scouring credits to find the "un-obvious" ones that have been missed by some other lazy contributor LOL 

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How anyone can be confused as to whether they are actual cast or not, is beyond me!  The credit tells us that they are cast!!!!!!

Well, if we take your assumption as a fact, then yes the credits do tell us that.  If we don't take your assumption, then it is possible those individuals were sub-contracted by a casting agency as extras and never directly linked to the film, other than on a sub-contracted basis - which I suggest makes them Crew.

I'll say no more

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Quoting hal9g:

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You still haven't told us what "crew job" they performed.

Please pick up from my answer, rather than just repeating your question.  It avoids a repetitious cycle of asking the same question and giving the same answer.

Perhaps, next time I'll just ignore your question - but where would that get us?  You ignoring my answers and me ignoring your questions

CubbyUps - I haven't got time to talk about this now, but you will have heard of contractors and sub-contractors?  Just because you're sub-contracted to a job, it doesn't necessarily mean you get, or deserve, to share the "limelight" with the "stars".

If you guys think your way is sensible, then go for it.  Penning the name of every "might have been" into the cast certainly isn't something I would do and/or, it having been done, something I would read.  I'm sure there must be some value in scouring credits to find the "un-obvious" ones that have been missed by some other lazy contributor LOL 

Quoting hal9g:

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How anyone can be confused as to whether they are actual cast or not, is beyond me!  The credit tells us that they are cast!!!!!!

Well, if we take your assumption as a fact, then yes the credits do tell us that.  If we don't take your assumption, then it is possible those individuals were sub-contracted by a casting agency as extras and never directly linked to the film, other than on a sub-contracted basis - which I suggest makes them Crew.

I'll say no more

What are you talking about? They are listed in the end credits, there is no assuming or guessing here. It gives you the casting company who did cast them and then their role in the movie which is "Parade Participants". Why would this not be allowed to be entered as cast?

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What are you talking about?

Psst. It's a thread about whether or not to credit some individuals who weren't actually given acting credits with the rest of the cast.  For some reason they were excluded from the main cast within the end credits and ended up in the crew section.  Some people here are seeking to embrace diversity and list them as bona fide cast members.  Altruism at its finest.

It sort of makes the rest of your reply a little bit dodgy if you didn't know what we were talking about. 

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This is not addressed to anyone in particular. In fact, many of the recent posts were written over the past 12 hours or so while I've considered posting. Also, this post is directed at myself as well. I have been in the midst of many such forum squabbles as this. In trying to come to terms with how to effect a positive contribution to DVD Profiler for myself, I am evolving to the following:

When a consensus is achieved, as is apparent in this case, even though there is dissent, here is my recommendation:

Stop responding to the dissent - You won't change their opinion. Be confident that Invelos rarely adopts extreme views; therefore, there's not much need to concern oneself with outlier opinions.

No need to point out personal attacks - They're already evident, as are lies and self-aggrandizement. Use the red arrows. In some ways, the red arrows are a sugar pill, but it's really all we have. Understand that Invelos' nature has created an authority vacuum that attracts the negative behavior you are trying to protest. Invelos won't take a side, as evidenced by this post. You will just be seen as part of the "back and forth".

Contribute the change per the consensus - If you get 'no' votes from a dissenter, ensure that your contribution notes address the issue that the dissenter objects to. Don't address the dissenter; address the issue. Invelos evaluators respond favorably to (short) reasonable explanations, especially if you can link it to a forum consensus.

Remember the end goal - The database is the end goal. Converting the dissenter in the forum or in their vote is not an achievable goal.

Remember the purpose - This is a hobby. It's supposed to be enjoyable.

My new batch of green arrows has come in and, as promised, I want to thank James for this post.

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Sad, very sad.

I wouldn't say its sad, particularly.  They genuinely believe these entities are members of the cast. 

The top tip I've heard is that if you try to stay on point these debates stay very amicable.  But if you react scornfully to people's contributions, you're risking the thread.  I'm sure you're not one of those scorn carriers.

Oh, no.  I've just seen someone else post with scorn