I'll try to keep it brief:

Surfeur: you are absolutely right that the current rule is not consistent at all: we are allowed to add accents for roles but not for actors/crew. That is something that I feel need to be addressed and you definitely have a point there. Might I kindly suggest you open a thread in the Rules Committee section so this can be further discussed and hopefully resolved with the next update of the rules? It's definitely worth discussing!

CharlieM: I respectfully disagree with your opinion. In the past weeks I have been posting more actually since I felt more comfortable doing so, as there was no toxic atmosphere at all during those weeks. Yes, threads were longer before but if you read carefully, that's because there was more mudslinging back and forth, not because there was a good discussion going on. Just read the last few pages of this thread: longer, but filled with hatred, mudslinging and off-topic harassment. This is not the kind of forum I enjoy and I really hope atmosphere will improve again.
I can understand and respect you wanting to show the other side of the coin and I agree this forum, like real life, is a shade of gray and all evils don't come from one single user. But when you say that name-calling and mudslinging is just part of the course for a hardened discussion, then I'm afraid I have to disagree. I think every user should be able to express his or her views without fear of being ridiculed, name-called or bullied out of the forums simply for having a different view. I'm afraid you are currently an enabler: enabling those that poison the atmosphere to continue to do so by justifying their actions as being 'hardened discussions' when in fact it's inadmissable behaviour. I was really happy the atmosphere had improved to the point I made a thread about it. I'm very sorry some users misused that thread to make backhanded remarks and I'm equally very sorry that you took my thread as an invitation to bash another user, when in fact it was the opposite: a positive message I wanted to send as well as a push in the back to keep up the good atmosphere.

For those that feel they have unresolved issues, might I suggest creating a thread solely for that purpose and try to work things out over there? Yves brought up a valid point in my opinion I would be sad to see the thread locked because of the hard feelings. It's a topic worth discussing and out of respect of the thread starter, we should try to keep on topic.

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we are allowed to add accents for roles but not for actors/crew.

I still don't see that at all. As far as I'm concerned, Ken's "E=e, É=é" ruling applies to data in all fields.

This is not consistent with what you wrote before :

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But still I don't know which standard to use. Standard title capitalisation or standard text capitalisation?

Standard title capitalisation.

Since rules for title say : For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title. “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not.

I really doubt that Ken's clarification can be used in case of "capitalization rules common to the language of the title". Ken may choose what he wants, but for foreign titles, he chose standard of other countries.

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This is not consistent with what you wrote before

I think it is. I think both myself and Ken are being totally consistent. Consistently apply standard capitalization rules, and consistently apply the "E=e, É=é" ruling as well.

So going by this, you mean the following credit:

FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT comme LE PERE DE LA MARIEE

should be entered into DVDP as:

Francois Truffaut : Le pere de la mariee

Is that what you mean? I'm just trying to see if I understand you correctly.

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Consistently apply standard capitalization rules, and consistently apply the "E=e, É=é" ruling as well.

But for title, Ken wrote "rules common to the language of the movie". I do not think Ken pretends to rule European countries languages...

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But for title, Ken wrote "rules common to the language of the movie".

Yes, and that still applies. We do use them. But after applying those, then the additional, DVD Profiler-specific "E=e, É=é" ruling kicks in.

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But for title, Ken wrote "rules common to the language of the movie".

Yes, and that still applies. We do use them. But after applying those, then the additional, DVD Profiler-specific "E=e, É=é" ruling kicks in.

So you say that the title of this movie should be "Le Pont de la riviere Kwai"



But in fact, in the database we have 7 rivière and 0 riviere. Screeners, who had in front of them both titles and covers, accepted 7 bad profiles ???

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we are allowed to add accents for roles but not for actors/crew.

I still don't see that at all. As far as I'm concerned, Ken's "E=e, É=é" ruling applies to data in all fields.

You are correct Tim. I don't know where Yves is getting his idea from, it's just bizzare.

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This is not consistent with what you wrote before

I think it is. I think both myself and Ken are being totally consistent. Consistently apply standard capitalization rules, and consistently apply the "E=e, É=é" ruling as well.

Again I agree what I see is that Yves is trying to apply the Rukle relative to titles to roles, which are two totally different things. Again I am left wondering if my friend is not simply trying to stir the pot.