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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You have to use your judgment on what the title is just like any and all releases. Which I did per front cover... backed up my opinion with the spine (note: The title is not coming from the spine... it just helped me to decide).
As for the Edition...
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Edition
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
Do not enter media types (such as "Blu-Ray + DVD + Digital Copy") into the edition or title field.
See what I put in bold... indicating Collections is to be put in the Edition field.
There is no clarification in the Boxset Rules. So boxsets is no different.
And then at the beginning of the Rules it says...
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These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD
Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.
Notice the last line I put in bold... it says the standard rules still do apply in these cases. The problem that I see, is the way that I read "Collections", is like "Criterion Collection". This are typically based upon a single release (not saying that you couldn't have a box set from the Criterion Collection), and are taken from a specific collection of movies. It does not, to me, refer to a ensemble of movies presented in a package a collection of movies. It might seem like arguing semantics, but to me there is a difference in definition To me there is a difference |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But those examples are not the only ones they can be. So I won't make that distinction with my contributions or votes. At least not without word from Ken or Gerri.
And it appears there is not a difference with the voters as I got all yes votes and no notations that anything should be changed. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You have to use your judgment on what the title is just like any and all releases. Which I did per front cover... backed up my opinion with the spine (note: The title is not coming from the spine... it just helped me to decide).
As for the Edition...
Rules Quote:
Quote:
Edition
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
Do not enter media types (such as "Blu-Ray + DVD + Digital Copy") into the edition or title field.
See what I put in bold... indicating Collections is to be put in the Edition field.
There is no clarification in the Boxset Rules. So boxsets is no different.
And then at the beginning of the Rules it says...
Quote:
These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD
Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.
Notice the last line I put in bold... it says the standard rules still do apply in these cases. A "boxset" typically IS a collection. When I read the part you've highlighted above, I interpret that to be talking about individual releases being members of a collection, such as The Criterion Collection or the Fox Studio Classics Collection, etc. In fact, it was at my suggestion, that Ken added this language to the Rules. If a box set is a member of a collection, say the 007 boxsets, then the edition field can be used in the boxset profile. However, if the boxset is simply a collection in and of itself, then you would not use the Edition field in the boxset profile; for instance, 'The Dirty Harry Collection" would be: Boxset Title: The Dirty Harry Collection Edition: Child Title: Dirty Harry Edition: The Dirty Harry Collection Child Title: Magnum Force Edition: The Dirty Harry Collection etc. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But it don't HAVE to be per the boxset title. (IE Collection in title) As there is no distinction in the rules for this in the boxset section. So as the rules are written (the only way I will contribute) the way I put it is correct per Rules.
And as I said... everyone that voted agreed with me with no notation as I been watching. So I am not the only one to read it this way.
Other then that we would need a clarification from Ken or Gerri. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But it don't HAVE to be per the boxset title. (IE Collection in title) As there is no distinction in the rules for this in the boxset section. I don't think I said it had to be per the boxset title, although this is most frequently the case in my experience. I simply gave one example. Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
So as the rules are written (the only way I will contribute) the way I put it is correct per Rules. I think that's open to debate. I believe that since this release is a "boxset" that it is quite arguable that the DVD title is "The Parent Trap 2-Movie Collection", just like with Dirty Harry it is "The Dirty Harry Collection". Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And as I said... everyone that voted agreed with me with no notation as I been watching. So I am not the only one to read it this way. Come on, Pete. You know very well that Voting does not mean a thing. How many times have you seen contributions where you've got 20 "Yes" votes and 1 "No" vote, and the "No" vote is absolutely correct? Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Other then that we would need a clarification from Ken or Gerri. Don't turn blue waiting.  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only thing I said it meant is that I am not the only one to read the rules the way I do. No more and no less. Other then that I can only contribute and vote per the way I believe the rules read unless I get a clarification from Invelos. I can't see taking a clarification from another forum member since they can be just as right or wrong as I am. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The only thing I said it meant is that I am not the only one to read the rules the way I do. Actually, all it means is that they voted yes. Nothing more, and nothing less. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
That's just twisted. Where did I say anything about personal preference. All of the data that I claim belongs in the title field is on the front cover. Exactly per the Rules! Please stick to one subject. I never said the data wasn't on the front cover, just that everything on the cover wasn't part of the title of the set. You claimed that the title should indicate that it is a collection of films, I asked where that bit was located in the rules, you said it wasn't in the rules. Since it isn't, I can only surmise that you are deciding which bits are part of the title based on personal preference...which is true. Quote:
Ahh...the 'Skip' approach. Claim to have answered the question previously, so that you don't have to answer it at all! It doesn't work for Skip....it doesn't work for you! Except that, had you bothered to read any of my posts, you would have seen that I did answer it. The fact that you continue to refuse to see it, doesn't mean I didn't. Here's a hint. Quote:
If you don't know that the names of actors featured in a movie are not actually part of the title, then you should definitely not be contributing to the on-line db! Everything I listed is actually a title (or edition), just in case you missed it. But I do know that the names of actors, featured in a movie, are not actually part of the title. I also know that the contents of a box set are not actually part of the title. The point I was making is that your "The Title comes from the DVD cover" stand doesn't help us here as we still have to determine which of the bits of data, that are printed on the cover, are actually part of the title. Quote:
Then you must believe that the title of the double feature which includes 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and 'How to Stuff a Wild Bikini' really should be in the on-line db as "Midnite Movies Double Feature"??? I must, mustn't I? Quote:
On this we agree (minus the spelling error). The title would include the two film titles listed on the front cover, just like we have done with every other double feature, forever. Like you have done. Like some other users have done. Not like I would do...but don't worry, I don't buy these 'double feature' sets so, while I would not do them that way, I have no dog in that fight so won't do anything other than offer an opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | With some voters I would agree with that. But there is voters I know don't just vote yes to everything and puts thought into their votes as they always have in the past. With good, helpful comments when they vote no at least. So all I can do is believe they agree with what I put. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Just because they're in the database doesn't mean a thing. Maybe the person who entered them simply wasn't thinking about what they were doing.
They are wrong! Based on your personal opinion...unless you can quote me a rule that says otherwise.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Sorry, but for DVDP, the title on the spine is irrelevant. Yes, we take the title from the front cover. But the title on the spine is a good indicator that shows us which part of the front cover text is part of the title. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Sorry, but what about Die Hard: The Ultimate Collection?
Am I the only one who thinks The Ultimate Collection is an Edition?  Nope, you are not the only one. I can see that going both ways...depending on personal preference. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But it does matter. It makes all the difference. It tells you that the release in question is a collection of movies and not just a single movie. The title "The Parent Trap" would indicate to almost anybody that the release in question is the single movie "The Parent Trap". It's just simple English! Once again, it matters to you. As I said earlier, it doesn't matter to me. The title is what the title is. Unless you can show me the rule that says it matters, I am stuck with it being your personal preference. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you expressing your personal preference. I do, however, have a problem pretending it is anything but. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Where do the Rules define what on the front cover is actually part of the title; or the edition field? Wait, isn't that the point I have been trying to make since page 4?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal, if I understand you correctly the title for this liitle masterpiece of artwork would be: Back in Black - Mr. Jones - Mr. Smith - MIIB: Men in Black II ??? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But those examples are not the only ones they can be. So I won't make that distinction with my contributions or votes. At least not without word from Ken or Gerri.
And it appears there is not a difference with the voters as I got all yes votes and no notations that anything should be changed. I had voted no with a short note explaining my rationale. I have since changed my vote to neutral because I am not sure if either yes or no votes are the correct answer. I have carefully studied both the rules and these many pages of discussion, and feel there are equally valid points on both sides of this issue. This is one of those topics that are not clearly outlined in the rules. And, I don't see much new information presented in the last few pages of discussion. It might be best if Ken weigh in, (you hoo...zombie, zombie, zombie!) or let the screeners decide the matter. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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