Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Name ILM Role Visual Effects By

Come on Neill. Stick to the Rules. We don't use that format in the Dividers but the data is the same

Role is not an issue with crew, is it? Because we can't currently submit the onscreen job that each person does - which is why the rules state ONLY that for Crew Credits we must list the names exactly as seen.

If we could (and obviously we should!!) submit the custom roles it would then say 'list names and roles exactly as seen'.

The point it is doesn't. By following the exact wording of the rules we should only list NAMES.


Now...all that aside....I'm simply using the rules to reinforce a position that you totally disagree with and not in any real attempt to change your opinion.

We disagree with each other. Once again - let's leave it at that, shall we...or do you really feel the need to continue attempting to convince me of something that I'll never agree with? Isn't that the definition of madness?? Repeatedly doing something and expecting different results?

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Quoting Pantheon:

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I've said before, currently both Visual Effect by Pixel Magic or simply Pixel Magic are both correct.

Actually, they are not.  I knew something about this was bugging me and, after going back to read the rules, I found what it was.

From the rules, bolding by me:  "List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name."

The rules tell us to enter the company name.  That's it.  They don't tell us to copy the credit exactly, just "enter the company name."  I can't believe it took be 8 pages to figure that out. 

I agree. I've said it before. 

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Ummm Marrtian, you are once agin redaing selectively and not talking about the fact that there is also a direct conflict in the Rules with that statement as you are attempting to parse it. Let us remember that the very first line of the crew Rules says "Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly  as they are in the credits." This is the problem when you start parsing, you pick little pieces for your convenience and do not take into account the WHOLE. I always knwe there was something disturbing about your parsing and that's it right there. Your parsing pays no attention to the WHOLE.

The company credits are part of the Crew data.

Actually, it is you who is, once again, reading selectively.  Here is the rule again, different bolding this time:

"List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name."

As you can see, this is an exception...an instance that does not conform to a rule...to the crew credits.

OK, here is something I just thought of.

We credit crew members with their associated job, so why would it be ok to just list a company without it's associated job??


Or put it this way, if we could enter companies in the crew section just like crew members now, we would have to assign them a job. We just couldn't leave their job blank.

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Logic is something that is extinct here.

I quite agree.

Quoting T!M:

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At least we've figured it out: just the company name it is. As luck would have it, that's exactly what the majority of the userbase wanted in the latest poll on the matter, so... 

Did I miss something?   Did Ken Decide?

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Did I miss something?

Read the last bunch of posts from this thread, or specifically this post by TheMadMartian: it's simply what the rules say.

Read this comment here by Ken.

Ken has apparently not decided yet, so it is still up in the air.


Charlie

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Read this comment here by Ken.

Ken has apparently not decided yet, so it is still up in the air.


Charlie

Ken may be torn, but the rule says what it says.  As long as it remains as written, it is not up in the air.