antolod is correct.  While Skip did not write all the rules, it was a group effort, he is the 'father' of the rules.

While I do thank everybody who was involved in getting the guide lines evolved into rules, it doesn't matter who are the fathers of the rules and what their intent has been. The rules are published, enforced, and judged by Invelos and Invelos alone. They are the masters of the rules (and are also responsible for keeping them up to date. )

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Who ever does Blu-Ray movies need to get working cause I seen a lot with nothing just pictures. So I use a IMDB tool that still floating around to enter data.

I don't think this is quite "on topic". However, to put it in that context    : you can change allegence from group 1 to 2 or even 3 by submitting yourself a more complete profile for the bluray's you're concerned about.

Unless it is a completely new movie, you could temporarily add the DVD version to your collection and use the DVD copy/paste feature to copy details. Just remember that many distributors do not release a bluray with exactly the same characteristics: the BR could be featureless and the DVD not, or exactly the reverse. A movie may have a new distributor since the DVD-release. Audio, SRP and release date of course may differ. But the copy/paste feature is great to have a head start when compiling cast, crew and studio's...

You may even like this and become a true group 3 member

BTW, I am more a group 1/2 person, contributing only really new disks or old ones where obviously no others were paying attention to.

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Who ever does Blu-Ray movies need to get working cause I seen a lot with nothing just pictures. So I use a IMDB tool that still floating around to enter data.

Not to be rude, but why can't you get working on them?  This is a user built db and you are a user. 

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Who ever does Blu-Ray movies need to get working cause I seen a lot with nothing just pictures. So I use a IMDB tool that still floating around to enter data.

Not to be rude, but why can't you get working on them?

He is. As he indicated, he's using a tool to mine cast and crew data from IMDb, which is, to get back on topic, not at all unusual for group 1/2 users. It certainly fits the "it doesn't have to be perfect, but it just has to work" principle. So he does put effort into filling these profiles - he just can't contribute them...

Think about it: what's his incentive to double/triple/whatever the amount of time he has to spend on a profile to do it by our rules? What would he get in return, which is preferable over the IMDb-mined data he uses now? With the rather high demands we burden contributors with, you'd think there'd some big, shiny carrot in return - effortless linking comes to mind - but there doesn't seem to be anything like that. Personally, I'm happy to do the work, and the accuracy of my local database will never ever be rivalled by either Invelos, IMDb or anyone else, but if I wasn't one of the ten DVD Profiler users who's willing to verify literally EVERY little bit of data for myself, then I'd rather have all my profiles mined from IMDb instead of taking them from Invelos's database. Because downloading a random hundred profiles from here just gets you a big mess: different use, non-use and even abuse of the "credited as" feature, differently parsed names, lots of crew credits incorrectly entered as/shoehorned into jobs they didn't do,... The list is endless - and the best thing is that for all these examples, whichever way you'd try to "fix" it, you're bound get "no"-votes, as everyone is a 100% convinced that his "interpretation" is the right one, and most of these debates go unsettled for years. But if you simply mine your data from IMDb, well... It's quick, it's easy, and it WORKS. So seriously, for a user like Randall_Lind: what would be the incentive for him to move away from the IMDb-mined data and invest the extra time of doing it according to our rules? I want to see it, really I do, but I just don't... 

To end on a more "up" note, though, I'll stress that this is exactly the great thing about this software: it lets anyone track their data as they see fit. If you choose not to follow the rules with regards to a certain aspect of the data, that's no problem: you just can't contribute it. But it does let you do whatever you want to do. Personally, I'd probably still use the software if there was no sharing of data at all: the local-only portion of the software would still do for me what I need it to do. I just think that Invelos would benefit from a large group of contributing members, instead of steadily seeing their number decline until there are just about ten left, plus maybe a few others that limit themselves to initial contributions (no risk of flak from the voters because there aren't any) or to "safe", fairly non-debatable changes like the overview or something like that...

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So I use a IMDB tool that still floating around to enter data.

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As he indicated, he's using a tool to mine cast and crew data from IMDb, which is, to get back on topic, not at all unusual for group 1/2 users.

I had no idea such a tool existed, but a quick google search yielded the group/download. It's exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks for the (roundabout) heads up. 

I would hardly call our online database "useless".  But I suspect he's not interested in contributing his IMDB mined data as I'm also sure he's now aware that he's not supposed to.

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So I use a IMDB tool that still floating around to enter data.

Quoting T!m:

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As he indicated, he's using a tool to mine cast and crew data from IMDb, which is, to get back on topic, not at all unusual for group 1/2 users.

I had no idea such a tool existed, but a quick google search yielded the group/download. It's exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks for the (roundabout) heads up. 

Seriously?! I certainly hope you don't plan to contribute any "IMDb-mined" data, as this would make our database even more useless than it already is.... 

Completely serious. As it stands now, and the cross linking of actors/crew is absolutely horrid on Profiler (not to mention the Asian name problem). So if it comes down between the two, IMDB is a much better database for my needs, and contrary to what people scream, IMDB is not that bad of a database.

As far as submitting, I keep 99.9% of my additions/changes/corrections local, anyway, so you won't have to worry about submissions from me.