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Contributing to Profiles of DVD's you Don't Own
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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@ Rory
Apology's, i misinterpreted your post, Green Arrow issued as amends
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I am glad your not up set any longer, There was no disrespect intended quite the opposite in fact. I happen to hold your opinions in rather high regard.

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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich
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Quoting richierich:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich


+1 
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 

However, there are exceptions.  Obviously, prerelease contributions do not require ownership.  They should be basic starter information (e.g. complete cast and crew is impossible to correctly contribute without having the disc).

Taking another case, if a particular locality has blank or limited cast info, and the submitter would like to fill it in with their verified cast from their own locality, I would tend to allow the voters who actually own the submitted locality to make the call.  However, the submitted contribution notes should clearly indicate that the cast is from the other locality, so that the voters and contribution evaluators can make an informed choice.

One additional reminder to please keep the contribution vote notes completely civil at all times.


+100  Thank you for clarifying! Maybe update the rules with this information? 
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 

However, there are exceptions.  Obviously, prerelease contributions do not require ownership.  They should be basic starter information (e.g. complete cast and crew is impossible to correctly contribute without having the disc).

Taking another case, if a particular locality has blank or limited cast info, and the submitter would like to fill it in with their verified cast from their own locality, I would tend to allow the voters who actually own the submitted locality to make the call.  However, the submitted contribution notes should clearly indicate that the cast is from the other locality, so that the voters and contribution evaluators can make an informed choice.

One additional reminder to please keep the contribution vote notes completely civil at all times.


Thanks Ken 
For the most part this is what I was thinking... well except for the inclusion to the one addition of there being blank or limited info in the other locality. But that is definitely understandable.

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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich


While I understand where you are going with this. I don't think it is a good idea to limit it. I personally never vote unless I know for fact it is wrong... and some voting can be done without owning the disc. such as cover art with spines, publicly stating that they got their info from IMDB or if they are providing cover scans anything doing with the overview.... or adding an episode guide to a TV Series Overview. I mean there is several obvious things that you do not need the disc in hand to be able to vote on.  Where Ken did say the words In General and Should I think this falls within what he said.

Besides... if someone really wants to do it they will... all they would have to do is move a title to their owned or ordered list upload, vote and then move it back.
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With Ken's statement from last night I am hoping the contributing to different versions/localities will stop for the most part (other then where Ken allowed in his statement). Is that a realistic hope? I don't know... maybe not at first but once it starts to get around I am hoping it will slow to what he said.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich



A completely unrealistic idea from so many different angles. Many times it is not hard to confirm what is being Contributed, in addition as long as users can Contribute changes for every copy in the world, then it is unfair to pick on the voters, and there are those that are doing just that. And please define unrealistic wishlist, my wishlist is my wishlist and is not unrealistic at all.

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Quoting richierich:
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich


+1 
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Quoting richierich:
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify.  Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify. 


Hi Ken
In light of your comments, could you do a program change where only users who either own or have a title on order can vote on a contribution? This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists, who can now currently vote but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.
Thanks
Rich


And please define unrealistic wishlist,

Skip


As you asked....

What would you think if you saw something like the 'wishlists' or 'ordered' in someones collection as per screenshots below, of titles already in their collection, and all from different regions?
You must agree it cannot be right that they could vote on each of these titles?


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This would prevent potential vote stuffing by users who maintain unrealistic wishlists
Someone's wishishlist is not unrealistic, they make it in the hopes to buy or receive them as gifts in the future and that does not mean they are going to vote stuff.

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but cannot actually verify a great deal of a contribution without the disc.

Movies that are in my wishlist I can verify most of the contributions and the profiles that I can not verify I don't vote. If a contributer is changing a profile in my whish list that is a region 1 movie but replacing all data with region 2 info, I will vote no. In this case I don't need the disc to verify anything. There is other data that I could vote on with out having the disc.

vote stuffing is someone who adds a disc to there list just to vote and when the voting prosess is done they remove it.
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That looks like some who is cross region contributing and should not be allowed.
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@ Skip:
For reasons of principle I would object to a requirement to have your collection public in order to be allowed to vote and/or contribute. You may have your reasons not to trust contributions from a particular fellow user, but in my view that's a different affair altogether (which would probably not be resolved by having a public collection anyway).
BTW I totally agree with your earlier post in which you called a program change to a similar effect completely unrealistic. However I feel the same goes for a requirement like this one.
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Thanks richierich for pointing this out. I say let the voters who actually own, or intend to own decide whether they want info into the database. It is not up to any one of us to police others into doing, or not doing something.
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Richie:

Since I am apparently not allowed to diasgree with you.   Allow me to refer you the 25 different copies of "Romancing the Stone" from many different Regions/Localities and versions, yet all have been altered by the same user.

I will not defend my trying to defend the Online from the abuses of this or any other user behaving in a similar way. Ken & gerri have specifically said not to do this and for very good reason.

Skip
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