Well, if that is the case I was right all the time with trying to change all Stereo tracks to surround.

Ah, well, I kept it local for now and contijued contributing withiout the Stereo-Surround changes.

But always nice to see that in the end those people that attacked me seemed to be plain wrong.

Donnie

Thx Ace,

for also supporting what I was trying to do.
But I am over it now, as long as KEN will officially state that plain stereo is not existing, I will leave to change all that audio to others that are willing to fight this fight.

But its nice to have another professional statement that def tells us the SURROUND DATA is always there.

I would like to see the face of especially one person now. The first person I have ever blocked on a forum

Owyeah,
Surround ftw

Donnie

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The surround data is there no matter how it's compressed. I'm trying to determine about the flag.

Even on PCM tracks, I doubt that.

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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Keeping in mind commentaries and such aren't necessarily based on a surround down-mix, though.

This is exactly the issue that Donnie here refuses to acknowledge.

Even with commentaries DVDShrink used to report 3-channel.<shrugs> In my evperience with both my receiver and DVDShrink, genuine 2-channel stereo is a very rare animal indeed. The one lone exception to this appears to be Television shows from the early 80's up to the point they went to DD 5.1 for broadcast...mid 90s maybe.

Skip

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Even with commentaries DVDShrink used to report 3-channel.<shrugs> In my evperience with both my receiver and DVDShrink, genuine 2-channel stereo is a very rare animal indeed. The one lone exception to this appears to be Television shows from the early 80's up to the point they went to DD 5.1 for broadcast...mid 90s maybe.

Skip

This is about the exact thing I said when all this started, it is nice to know, that I knew much more about this than the persons who seemed to have not much knowledge and just voted NO without even trying to understand what I was saying without even trying to check if I was right.

case closed for me, let's move on...

cheers
Donnie

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Even with commentaries DVDShrink used to report 3-channel.<shrugs> In my evperience with both my receiver and DVDShrink, genuine 2-channel stereo is a very rare animal indeed. The one lone exception to this appears to be Television shows from the early 80's up to the point they went to DD 5.1 for broadcast...mid 90s maybe.

Skip

That was my understanding. Dolby surround became available for theaters in 1976 and in the home in 1982. Stereo TV broadcasts started in 1984 (in the US, anyway) so theoretically, TV shows could have been in Dolby Surround once stereo was available, but from what I can tell, no one used it until 1992 or 1993 and it took a few years to become universal. So you'll only see non-surround stereo for regular programming for DTV stuff made between 1982 and the mid nineties, TV from 1984 to the mid nineties and music. Commentaries and some dubs and made for video release, though, so there's no telling what they use.

Dolby surround was used on theatrical movies from 1976 to the early nineties when 5.1 took over and on TV from 1992 to 1993 or so up to the early aughts, when 5.1 also took over.

Keep in mind that you occasionally get throwbacks long after the fact. Some low-budget movies and TV shows are still in mono and there are a few TV shows out there still in Dolby surround as well. For instance, the Simpsons only went to 5.1 last year. (for broadcast, anyway)

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Quoting DarklyNoon:

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Well, if that is the case I was right all the time with trying to change all Stereo tracks to surround.

Ah, well, I kept it local for now and contijued contributing withiout the Stereo-Surround changes.

But always nice to see that in the end those people that attacked me seemed to be plain wrong.

Donnie

Dude,  you have a skewed view of the world. Asking for documentation is not an attack. You were the one attacking others as a response to a very reasonable request.

Indeed.  Had he simply provided documentation, as Ace did, instead of attacking, this would have been over a long time ago.