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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Skip if you want to give me a red arrow for every post I do this is your choice... No need to tell me you think of giving me one... A red arrow isn't a big deal it's just to notified the moderator (when he isn't on vacation) that a post is against the forum policy. After the moderator decide if it is or isn't...

I will not loose any sleep or be angry because of this.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
I see better with 'em on
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a valid disc entered into the online database, as long as it meets all the requirements.  I buy alot of ex-rentals and dread entering the UPCs in fearing it won't be in there and I'll have to do it myself.  Being in Canada I see this quite often... 

I encourage anyone wanting to submit good data to the database, I can't really think of any reason to say that they shouldn't, especially because they will eventually become part of some people's collection (like me)

If I had more time and was more diligent I'd probably add them as I would love to track every DVD/BD I watch, whether it be bought, rented, borrowed or even stolen!  (I kid of course!)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
Registered: December 10, 2007
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Right they are NOT collecting aything. Therfore RENTAL titles should not be in the Online by your own definition.


Your syllogism is missing a premise.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a valid disc entered into the online database, as long as it meets all the requirements.

Neither do I and, though I may have missed it, have yet to see anyone offer a reason.  I have seen talk about them not being owned or part of a collection but, as was pointed out earlier, we profile pre-release titles that don't even exist yet.  Since they don't exist, they can't be owned nor can they be part of a collection.  Does that mean they should not be in the online either? 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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Registered: March 18, 2007
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I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a valid disc entered into the online database, as long as it meets all the requirements.

Neither do I and, though I may have missed it, have yet to see anyone offer a reason.  I have seen talk about them not being owned or part of a collection but, as was pointed out earlier, we profile pre-release titles that don't even exist yet.  Since they don't exist, they can't be owned nor can they be part of a collection.  Does that mean they should not be in the online either? 


Doesn't really surprise me to see how this topic has gone 

Complicating even the most simple things.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Neither do I and, though I may have missed it, have yet to see anyone offer a reason.

The only reason I see, not to not enter them but to be cautious (??), is that sometimes the rental is exclusive and doesn't have the same specification (extra, language, ...) than the regular dvd in store. But if they have their own UPC I don't see a problem
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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Registered: August 23, 2008
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I said I asked a serious question which still remains unanswered,danced around,but not answered and i would love someone to explain how Rentals qualify as a collection.


The reason people aren't answering this is because it's irrelevant. Imagine you are trying to work on a requistion for some new computers. Somebody on the requisitioning board keeps asking whether you would be better using Linux-based servers or Windows. You object that the computers you are attempting to recquisition aren't servers, so this is irrelevant. However, this guy keeps pushing and won't let you move on with your request, so you try to explain the advantages and disadvantages of each, but he demands a definitive answer and won't even explain why he needs to know because you won't answer his question.

If it will make you happy, renters aren't collecting anything. Now, please explain what this has to do with anything.


The IT in me laughed and laughed because there are jackasses just like that in the workplace, too.  I've been to those meetings. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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The motive behind adding the rental versions has nothing to do with if they are valid discs to be entered into the database.  How this topic lasted this long boggles the mind.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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"Get your Free Download and start tracking your DVD collection now!"

What COLLECTION?


And yet the program is called DVD Profiler (therefore to profile DVDs) and not DVD Collector.

Karsten
DVD Collectors Online

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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The motive behind adding the rental versions has nothing to do with if they are valid discs to be entered into the database.  How this topic lasted this long boggles the mind.

This is a great place for mind boggles.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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The motive behind adding the rental versions has nothing to do with if they are valid discs to be entered into the database.  How this topic lasted this long boggles the mind.

This is a great place for mind boggles.


That explains a lot! 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
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Registered: October 6, 2008
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I have an answer.....

The online is not a collection for any one person.  It does not maintain statistics, collection numbers, or who has or does not have any particular DVD in their collection (except in an individual online collection listing).

The online is a repository of information that a community has spent numerous hours compiling, so that the individual profiler can use the data for informational purposes within their own collection.

The client side of profiler only gives the ability to track a personal collection of discs and the data that is associated with those discs, that may or may not be included within the online data cloud.

While I will contend that the client is for assisting the individual in the cataloging of their own personal collection, the online is only the data repository.

With this idea, contributing information to the data cloud is not an act of collecting, only an act of sharing.

So why should we not contribute valid data to the online repository of information?...

Charlie

Nicely put, Charlie.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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"Get your Free Download and start tracking your DVD collection now!"

What COLLECTION?

" Keep track of your entire DVD collection

DVD Profiler can manage any size collection. Extensive data collection, filtering and reporting features specific to DVD, and unique to DVD Profiler.

What Collection, you are renting?

"Peruse your collection with ease"

What collection, your collection is at Blockbuster, the library, Red Box, et al<shrugs>


Ken,

Please remove all pre-releases from the on-line database immediately, since according to Skip, we are incapable of collecting them until they are released and therefore are not permitted in the on-line until then.

Thank you!
Hal
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMoses277
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Registered: March 23, 2007
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DVDP can profile anything, it's even being used to profile a Wine collection.  As such, we can profile whatever we damn well wish, including rental-only DVDs regardless if they are being sold or not.

Now the question is if a DVD which isn't being sold to Mr. Average Joe should be in in the online database?  I say sure, why not, until Ken or Gerri pipe in and say not to.  It's not going to hurt anyone having the extra profiles - in fact, it can only help Invelos by having a more complete collection and it will help Mr. Average Joe down the line if he buys one of those previously-not-sold-to-Mr-Average-Joe discs.

I used to keep track of movies I watched via Netflix.  It's been stated already that some keep track of movies they've rented.  This proves that DVDP is being used to keep track of more than just what is personally owned.  And why shouldn't people do that?

It hurts nothing having the profile in the online database.


True, but you cannot contribute, wine, VHS, Books, CDs and so forth. The subject was brought to the forums, specifically the CONTRIBUTION Forum. So this person wants toi be able to contribute something which is outside the platform,  rentals are not part of someone's collection. At the point that they are SOLD then ownership is established,.


Skip I'm not looking to contribute something that is not allowed, I'm trying to establish if we should have an option to hide rental copy's from the "Add DVD's by Title page & the Upcoming page; we already have the option to hide the adult rated titles on the Upcoming page.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorVirusPil
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I'm against a general hiding. Some stores sell rental version since first day to public. For example
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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I'm against a general hiding. Some stores sell rental version since first day to public. For example

I don't believe that's a rental version. Main difference between rental and retail versions is that rental version includes a rental license. That makes them much, much more expensive than retail versions. It would be an idiotic business to buy rental versions and sell them before their "life cycle" in rental business.
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