**I am NOT addressing this to any person(s) in particular**

I would ask that we stick to discussing the topic at hand.

Once again there are, in my opinion, unnecessary comments that do not specifically address the original posters question.

Please do not dismiss ideas or suggestions that do not agree with your own.

I would also request that you only continue posting if you have something new to add. I think the continually rehashing of the same idea(s) is unproductive.

Thank you.

Per the way the rules are written, Northbloke... for the online database... Yes.

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You see, that's what I don't get. Are you really saying we should treat

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I know this is the same movie but are they the same release, and if they are then where does the bottom image come from, it clearly does not come from the Front Cover. Could it be a Slip Case to Keep Case phenomenon. in which case the title is from the slip. There's a lot of possibilities for what you are showing, you simply show something and offer no explanation of why, where or how it originates. One could be from the spine, which we don't use generally, it could come from an insert which we definitely don't use. Clarity, amigo

But we DO differentiate based on FONT, Kathy and there are not only color differences there are also FONT differences. Now quite personally I would go back to take the title from the film itself, this would include possessives. I use them and it causes NO PROBLEM. Back in a bit

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But that is not how the rules are written. So we go with what the rules state whether we like it or not.

No, the rules primarily say: "Use the title from the front cover." There is no part in the rules which says that you should not enter separate words of the title as separate words. If you read separate words you have to enter them as separate words.

If what you are saying is true, why do we have a rule that says, "If the title is shown run together, but with coloring and/or symbols splitting the title words, use standard spacing?" 

There is no question that the title in question is shown 'run together'.  Since it is, the only time we can use standard spacing is when the title words are split by coloring and/or symbols.  Try as you might, you simply can't get around that.

This part has been added as a clarification when people have argued that "run together" words are not separate words any more. But please note that the clarification does not exclude other methods of splitting words. And in this concrete case I see no point in arguing that "mean" and "girls" are not separate words. In graphic arts there are a lot of possibilities to separate individual words. In databases we usually use a space character.

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But we DO differentiate based on FONT, (...)

I agree, even though font is not one of the methods mentioned in the rules. But as I have said, the rules do not exclude those other methods.

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You know recently a user contributed a change to the Title of Pay It Forward to Pay it Forward.

That would be wrong - no matter what the cover says. We don't take title capitalisation from the cover - instead, we simply go by the rules: "For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title." In this case, the word IT is not a joining word, and as such, it gets capitalised, no matter how it's done on the cover.

I have contributed this change and believe that I am correct. The second part of the rules reads "Check capitalization of the title." The cover explicitly shows that "i"  in"it" exactly matches the lower case letters in the rest of the title.

I have gone over the rules again - re-read them twice - and do not see where it says that words should be capitalized no matter what is on the cover.

I see the section which addresses when we should not use capitalization. Can you please point out the section for when we should.

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You know recently a user contributed a change to the Title of Pay It Forward to Pay it Forward.

That would be wrong - no matter what the cover says. We don't take title capitalisation from the cover - instead, we simply go by the rules: "For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title." In this case, the word IT is not a joining word, and as such, it gets capitalised, no matter how it's done on the cover.

I have contributed this change and believe that I am correct.

I'm sorry, but it's wrong. We've been over this many times, and the outcome has always been the same: for titles, we capitalize every word except joining words. A previous thread about this, including a poll, can be found here - that one focussed on "Wrong Is Right", where the cover indeed caused someone to give "Is" a lowercase "i", similar to what you've done with 'Pay It Forward'.