Quoting Unicus69:

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...What I said, and Ken seems to have agreed with, is that they are all caps.  That is a fact.  Even the Wikipedia article, you quoted, says that they are capital letters.

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In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures.

As I said, we can't replicate the height, but we can...and should...replicate the characters.

Since when is Wikipedia a reliable source?

To quote Design Talk Board:

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Small caps

Literally, Small Capitals. Typeface style where all the letterforms take the shape of its capital letter. However, the lowercase letters are smaller than the uppercase and generally, but not always, align with the same x-height as the regular Roman face, for the same font family.

Please notice that the small caps are called lowercase letters.

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No, it is not. Small caps are not, in any way, all caps. To consider them as all caps is to be incorrect. If you can understand italics, or bold face, or bold italics, you should be able to understand that small caps are, by definition, mixed case.

Again, who said they weren't mixed case?  What has been said, and you continue to ignore, is that they are all capital letters.  Small capitals, yes, but capitals non the less.

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By your logic, we cannot render a script type as anything but italics.

Clearly you have not read all my posts as that is not my logic.  First, we can't replicate a scripted font.  Second, not all scripted font styles are slanted.

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By amateurs proclaiming that small caps is all caps, by showing a complete lack of knowledge of how fonts are created, you ought not to repeat the demonstration of why wrong is right.

Please don't make assumptions as to what knowledge I do or do not have.  If we could replicate the font style in Profiler, I would have a different opinion.

As an aside, I do not understand why you need to be so insulting simply because your point of view didn't win out.  Nobody attacked or insulted you or your profession.  You, on the other hand, have been quite insulting.  That attitude is what deserves the big 

Because something is popular doesn't neccessarily make it correct.

No matter how anyone spins their ignorance, small caps are mixed case characters.

I see no logical resolution to this. I have designed typefaces for which I was paid, most of which I created italic, bold, bold italic, small caps, and bold small caps. Telling me that small caps ought to be rendered as all caps is like telling me that "Laugh Laugh" is in E minor. (And I realize that virtually no one in the world will understand that reference.)

Small caps can be used by designers for a variety of reasons, often poorly. The one common legitimate reason to use small caps is when a print publication refers to itself. Newspapers, magazines, etc. will italicize (or bold face) names of other publications, film titles, and names of books, but will type their own names using small caps. A poor but recent example of this is on page 7 of the June 15, 2009 issue of Time, where near the center of the page, reversed out of a red caption beginning "TIME Tweets", it uses small caps on the Time portion of Time.com. Check other major magazines and newspapers to see how common this usage is -- not universal, but common.

I find it highly insulting that my claim to understand typography is meaningless. Other opinions rendered here disputing this, making remarks that small caps is nothing more than making uppercase letters smaller reveals much about these writers' knowledge (or lack of same) when it comes to my profession.

Thx alot Ken, tho i would have followed both dedcisions, but I think ANTHONY HOPKINS is the right one

cheers
Donnie

Cliff,

You should have learned long ago that DVDP is not about what is right, correct or accurate.

Everything must be "dumbed down" because we have to assume that the vast majority of the users are ignoramuses, incapable of critical thought.

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I've encountered a few overviews like the one below recently:



I'm not entirely sure whether I should enter ANTHONY HOPKINS and BRAD PITT, or Anthony Hopkins and Brad Pitt. I can see how some would argue that these are in ALL-CAPS, but then again, I can also see why others argue that it's merely a different font, but that there's still a clearly visible difference between each first letter and the subsequent ones. I really don't have a preference, I just want to handle these consistently. So which is it?

My opinion would be for ANTHONY HOPKINS / BRAD PITT.

I find this thread very interesting.  Gerri rules one way, and those of us that did not agree, stated that we did not agree...and why...but would comply.

Ken comes in and states that the ruling was a mistake, and those that don't agree decide to throw insults at the rest of us...even though none were thrown in their direction.  Very interesting indeed. 

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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I repeat, Cliff, your knowledge and your business in this particular instance has nothing to do with Profiler. You are correct regarding typography and your business, you are not coprrect as regards Profiler. It is that simple. Keep your attitude and your insults out of it.

Skip

What he said.

What both of them said.

No one is questioning your expertise in your line of work. We're just saying that in our (ignorant) opinion it doesn't apply to this situation for all the reasons previously stated. I'm sorry if you feel insulted but for the life of me I really can't see why.

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? A decision has been made after all. This isn't going to get us anyware.