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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Do you have links that I could use in the database? I'll work on that tomorrow. I'm about ready to hit the hay for tonight. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Common name: Rupert / / Holliday Evans
Aliases: Rupert Holliday-Evans, Rupert Holiday Evans
He is sometimes credited as Rupert Holliday-Evans, strongly suggesting that Holliday Evans is his family name and should thus be parsed as Rupert / / Holliday Evans. Rupert / / Holliday Evans should be made Common Name and Rupert Holliday-Evans should be seen as an alias. I have 8 DVDs with him in my collection, and he is credited WITHOUT the hyphen in all of them (personally verified). IMDB lists him WITH a hyphen, which is the reason he is incorrectly credited in many profiles in the database.
Also:
http://www.ett.org.uk/About_ETT/History_of_ETT/Actors.html (alphabetical listing, he is listed under "H")
http://www.pleasancepages.co.uk/node/1094
Common name: André / / Penvern
Alias: Andre Penvern
He is a French actor and his other credits in French movies have him credited as "André", so it is very likely that the "é" is indeed part of his real name; this is also how he is most frequently credited in my collection. One of the instances where IMDB may actually be correct:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0672422/ |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Composer John Williams has also gone by the following names. Johnny Williams John T. Williams John Towner Williams Johnny T. Williams The son of a movie studio musician, John Williams was trained for the family business at U.C.L.A. and Juilliard. Proficient with several instruments, Williams settled down to a thriving career as a jazz pianist. Billing himself as "Johnny Williams" to avoid confusion with British character actor John Williams, the young composer worked closely with Henry Mancini on the Peter Gunn series, then branched out to compose his own scores for several of the 1960s TV adventure programs produced by Irwin Allen. Williams' first film credit was for the 1959 adventure film Daddy-O. Credited as Johnny Williams during the early part of of his career. Some of the early TV Series where he may have been credited other than John Williams, most likely Johnny Williams. Gidget The Time Tunnel Lost in Space Land of the Giants |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Approved Common Name for actress Barbara / / Kellerman
Alias: Barbara Kellermann
Sources:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0445808/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Kellerman
http://www.eofftv.com/names/k/kel/kellerman_barbara_main.htm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've input the names into the database up to Sal / / Vassallo in Tracer's 1st post on page 6.
I'll continue tomorrow. | | | | Stuart |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
I've input the names into the database up to Sal / / Vassallo in Tracer's 1st post on page 6.
I'll continue tomorrow. Woo-hoo! Thank you!  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Some more accepted common names:
Victor / / Ertmanis
Alias: Victor Eartmantis
http://www.northernstars.ca/actorsdef/ertmanis_victor.html
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0259923/
Magali / / Noël
Alias: Magali Noel
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magali_No%C3%ABl
http://boris-vian.net/fr/magali.html
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0637649/
Hervé / / Pauchon
Alias: Herve Pauchon
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666709/
http://image.radio-france.fr/radiofrance/presse/_media/dossierPresseinter.pdf [look at page 15]
John / P. / Megill
Alias: John Megill
In Vol. 1 of "The Ray Bradbury Theater" he is credited as John P. Megill in 3 episodes and as John Megill in 1 episode.
Also: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0576323/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Genie_Awards#Sound
Gilbert / M. / Shilton
Alias: Gilbert Shilton, Gil Shilton
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0793525/
http://www.filmreference.com/film/16/Gilbert-M-Shilton.html |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a small question with regards to one of the entries in the "credited as"-database. It concerns the entry of Ed//Begley, Sr. What exactly is justification for adding the Sr. suffix to his name? He is NEVER actually credited as such, always simply as Ed Begley. The "sources and notes", including links to imdb.com and tcmdb.com, also do not refer to this Sr. suffix at all.
I expect this originates from the fact that we also have Ed Begley, Jr., but I don't really see why we cannot just have an Ed Begley and an Ed Begley, Jr. Where have we decided that it's better to add a Sr. suffix to the father, even though he's never credited as such? IMHO, having Ed Begley and Ed Begley, Jr. is more than enough to distinguish between them, with the added bonus that it matches the vast majority of their credits. I must admit I'm not too fond of "inventing" extra data like this. If I'm in a minory, I will gladly change my Ed Begley-entries to Ed Begley, Sr., but then I feel the notes section should at least include something about this, instead of just two links where no reference to this alledged Sr. suffix can be found at all. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I have a small question with regards to one of the entries in the "credited as"-database. It concerns the entry of Ed//Begley, Sr. What exactly is justification for adding the Sr. suffix to his name? He is NEVER actually credited as such, always simply as Ed Begley. The "sources and notes", including links to imdb.com and tcmdb.com, also do not refer to this Sr. suffix at all.
I expect this originates from the fact that we also have Ed Begley, Jr., but I don't really see why we cannot just have an Ed Begley and an Ed Begley, Jr. Where have we decided that it's better to add a Sr. suffix to the father, even though he's never credited as such? IMHO, having Ed Begley and Ed Begley, Jr. is more than enough to distinguish between them, with the added bonus that it matches the vast majority of their credits. I must admit I'm not too fond of "inventing" extra data like this. If I'm in a minory, I will gladly change my Ed Begley-entries to Ed Begley, Sr., but then I feel the notes section should at least include something about this, instead of just two links where no reference to this alledged Sr. suffix can be found at all. I agree with this. If he's not credited as Ed Begley, Sr. anywhere, and the other actor uses the common name Ed Begley, Jr., then I think the common name for Senior should only be Ed Begley. Same with similar cases. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | This came up in PM with Gerri when I tried to add BY's to separate out the 2 Roger Hemans. She said she would prefer that I use Sr./Jr. to separate names rather than BY. This was before we were actively determining common names. I wanted to get around the need to choose between whether one of them would just be Roger Heman by using BY but was declined. Since then I've always used Sr./Jr. to distinguish.
There are also instances where use of the standard name (eg. Tyrone Power) is the most often credited for either person. This happens when their careers don't overlap much. They'll use Sr./Jr. (or III in the case of Tyrone Power) when they're both active, but after the first passes, the 2nd one drops the suffix. So if you try to use most-often-credited for either, you can run into conflicts.
Another advantage of using Sr./Jr. is that you know that the ones without the suffix have yet to be evaluated.
As for the issue of creating names that aren't credited, we do that now by standardizing use of a comma for those names with suffixes. This in some situations causes more names to be changed than not.
My PMs with Gerri didn't specifically address the fact that many Sr. names aren't credited as such, so debating the issue is fine. But that's where the habit came from for me anyway. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another example would be the two Lon Chaneys. I would propose that Senior's Common name should be
Lon / / Chaney (alias: none that I know of - I don't think he was ever credited as Lon Chaney, Sr., and the credit lookup tool shows that this is also the case in the database, including all variants with and without "," and ".")
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0151606/
http://www.lonchaney.com/
http://film.virtual-history.com/book.php?id=1560
and Junior's Common name should be
Lon / / Chaney, Jr. (alias: Lon Chaney, Lon Chaney Jr., Creighton Chaney)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001033/
http://www.lonchaney.com/
http://www.searchmytrash.com/articles/lonchaneyjr(2-07).shtml
This is after all how they are commonly known, if I remember correctly, even though Junior is very frequently credited simply as Lon Chaney. This way one doesn't need to use birth years to distinguish between them, and I really don't think it would pose a problem deciding which of these two appears in the film if the credit only reads Lon Chaney. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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I have a small question with regards to one of the entries in the "credited as"-database. It concerns the entry of Ed//Begley, Sr. What exactly is justification for adding the Sr. suffix to his name? He is NEVER actually credited as such, always simply as Ed Begley. The "sources and notes", including links to imdb.com and tcmdb.com, also do not refer to this Sr. suffix at all.
I expect this originates from the fact that we also have Ed Begley, Jr., but I don't really see why we cannot just have an Ed Begley and an Ed Begley, Jr. Where have we decided that it's better to add a Sr. suffix to the father, even though he's never credited as such? IMHO, having Ed Begley and Ed Begley, Jr. is more than enough to distinguish between them, with the added bonus that it matches the vast majority of their credits. I must admit I'm not too fond of "inventing" extra data like this. If I'm in a minory, I will gladly change my Ed Begley-entries to Ed Begley, Sr., but then I feel the notes section should at least include something about this, instead of just two links where no reference to this alledged Sr. suffix can be found at all.
I agree with this. If he's not credited as Ed Begley, Sr. anywhere, and the other actor uses the common name Ed Begley, Jr., then I think the common name for Senior should only be Ed Begley. Same with similar cases. I agree with this. As long as one of them has a suffix, then they are distinguished apart. | | | | Stuart |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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Quoting T!M:
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I have a small question with regards to one of the entries in the "credited as"-database. It concerns the entry of Ed//Begley, Sr. What exactly is justification for adding the Sr. suffix to his name? He is NEVER actually credited as such, always simply as Ed Begley. The "sources and notes", including links to imdb.com and tcmdb.com, also do not refer to this Sr. suffix at all.
I expect this originates from the fact that we also have Ed Begley, Jr., but I don't really see why we cannot just have an Ed Begley and an Ed Begley, Jr. Where have we decided that it's better to add a Sr. suffix to the father, even though he's never credited as such? IMHO, having Ed Begley and Ed Begley, Jr. is more than enough to distinguish between them, with the added bonus that it matches the vast majority of their credits. I must admit I'm not too fond of "inventing" extra data like this. If I'm in a minory, I will gladly change my Ed Begley-entries to Ed Begley, Sr., but then I feel the notes section should at least include something about this, instead of just two links where no reference to this alledged Sr. suffix can be found at all.
I agree with this. If he's not credited as Ed Begley, Sr. anywhere, and the other actor uses the common name Ed Begley, Jr., then I think the common name for Senior should only be Ed Begley. Same with similar cases.
I agree with this. As long as one of them has a suffix, then they are distinguished apart. So, what does this mean? Will the Ed Begley entry be changed, or even be removed (as no name variants have been reported yet)? @ James: I do understand where you're coming from, but the Roger Heman example is a bit different, because they were both regularly credited as Roger Heman. That is not the case for Ed Begley and Ed Begley, Jr. so I don't think it's needed here. I'd agree with Behemot's Lon Chaney/Lon Chaney, Jr. proposal as well. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd also like to add another "name" to the database: Philip / / Baker Hall (parsing only). This was discussed in this thread, in which I supplied this screenshot from 'In Good Company':  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Established Kinga//Philipps as common name in the approved contribution for Tomcats:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=19192&PageNum=LAST
Her official site, http://www.kingaphilipps.com/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1036787/
http://www.current.tv/network/hosts/philipps;jsessionid=497084ECC9384B538F5D598140B1B5EB | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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