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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I recently did a change to a profile where there was a spelling mistake in a characters name this mistake also appeared on "That" web site so i would say always take cast and crew from the credits on the DVD. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Turner Broadcasting owns the largest film library on the planet. If you think otherwise, prove it.
You get to make an unsubstantiated claim and I have to prove you wrong?  OK. I'll play.
Estimate of 4,400 film titles in Warner catalog.
Estimate of 4,000 film titles in MGM catalog.
Estimate of Turner catalog at 2,800 titles.
1995 interview with Turner then-President in which he estimated the catalog size to be 3,800 titles.
On the main page of the TCM database, they advertise 150,000 titles in the database; therefore, "most" of their entries are not from their owned catalog.
According to this menu, TCM gets its key info from the AFI:
Also, users can contribute to their database. Here's the "About" page.
Here's the contribution form:
Note that one has to include a source.  Don't care. The whole point was that the information was accurate, unlike IMDB. Also, it isn't just a matter of how many titles are in the catalog, but of who owns the catalog. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Don't care. The whole point was that the information was accurate, unlike IMDB. Also, it isn't just a matter of how many titles are in the catalog, but of who owns the catalog. So you were wrong | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 4,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
I recently did a change to a profile where there was a spelling mistake in a characters name this mistake also appeared on "That" web site so i would say always take cast and crew from the credits on the DVD. Do You know how many spelling mistakes they make there....? A lot.., i saw enough of them... And when i see one in a contribution i'll vote against.... | | | | Registered: July 7 2000 |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Don't care. The whole point was that the information was accurate, unlike IMDB. Also, it isn't just a matter of how many titles are in the catalog, but of who owns the catalog. I put this through Bablefish and came up with Quote:
Sorry I made a mistake when I wrote "Most of the movies in their database, they own. Therefore, its first hand information" But, none the less, accept my conclusion based on this mistake as valid  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Don't care. The whole point was that the information was accurate, unlike IMDB. Also, it isn't just a matter of how many titles are in the catalog, but of who owns the catalog. Correctness isn't an issue. The question was if TCMDB is a 3rd party database - which it obviously is - and therefore not allowed as a source. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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Don't care. The whole point was that the information was accurate, unlike IMDB. Also, it isn't just a matter of how many titles are in the catalog, but of who owns the catalog.
Correctness isn't an issue. The question was if TCMDB is a 3rd party database - which it obviously is - and therefore not allowed as a source. Be careful or you will confuse him with the facts. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal:
That comment was unnecessary and designed to argumentative. Come on, guy, cut it out.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That comment was unnecessary and designed to argumentative. Come on, guy, cut it out.
There are some words to live by, for a lot more people than Hal. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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If Invelos is going to ban the entire use of "3rd Party Sites/sources" then I see a future where there will be fewer and fewer contributions.
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Invelos has always banned copying from third party sources (and IVS did two years back).
If you find an "Official Site" for a film or TV show, it is not a "third party source", it would be "second party" and the DVD is "first party".
It is just not that much work on most films to enter the cast and crew data by hand from the film credits. I have my PC setup with dual screens to make it easy, DVDProfiler on the main screen and PowerDVD running on the other. For release date and SRP I start at DVDPriceSearch.com and then use the links to check two or three other sites. For most films I can enter a full profile with cover scans in just under an hour. The really hard ones are films where the credits use a font so small that they all fuzz into a blob.
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Even Official or "sanctioned" sites are rife with errors. NOTHING supersedes the data on the disc. From one who knows. 
Skip Skip, That is why I said that an "Official Site" would be a "second party" source and that the DVD is a "first party" source.We are on the same side here.  pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Contributions, especially those adding cast and crew, must include the source of the data in the contribution notes. We will be taking a harder line on this requirement going forward, so please include the source when you contribute. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Secondary note - the notes must be in English. You're welcome to write native language notes, but please also include an English translation, even if you have to use an automated translation. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule". We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler. The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database. Copying their database is theft. If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft.
The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability. If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission. Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable. Just list that as your source. You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
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Ken, I take this to mean that if the contribution notes of the source profile do NOT specify the actual credits as source for the data, then the data from the source profile MUST be checked before submitting the new profile?
Just make sure your notes are accurate - if the source profile indicates a correct source, put that in the contribution notes. Ken, may I suggest you add something to the rules to address this? There will no doubt be people voting NO to contributions that do not follow your direction and we all know not everybody reads the forum. It could only help if you clarify Invelos' position with a rule revision (IMO that is). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
(IMO that is). I share that opinion.  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 |  Posts: 6 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Secondary note - the notes must be in English. You're welcome to write native language notes, but please also include an English translation, even if you have to use an automated translation. That means no more updates from me.  Schade das bedeutet wohl keine Aktualisierungen mehr von mir! (So macht es schon genügend Arbeit. Noch zu übersetzen ist mir zuviel Aufwand. Sorry) |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | mit google übersetzen. Keine Extraarbeit!  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
mit google übersetzen. Keine Extraarbeit!
Besser eine Schrottübersetzung, als gar keine Contribution!!! Babelfish: Better a scrap iron translation, than no Contribution! | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a more serious note, it does seem a shame to exclude our non-english speaking colleagues.
What do you guys think about starting a thread where certain stock phrases can be listed alongside their translations?
Phrases like:
"cast & crew taken from credits"
"used <insert program> to verify audio / subtitles / region " etc..
"spelling mistake that's not on DVD"
and so on...
that way, those that can't write english notes can look for the phrases they want to use in their own language and copy & paste the english equivalent into their notes.
What do you think? |
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