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hi im bruce wallis

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The question to me is very simple. Does Ken/Invelos want to allow data that is not directly from the medium or the film itself.

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I don't understand it eitheartian. Nor do I understand why some users do not understand hard data vs. imaginary data and why imaginary data in a central database is a very bad thing nor do many understand the power inherent in profiler because we have both a central database and a localized one. Instead they want the central to bow to their wishes and that is not its job, that is the job of the local.

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Quoting TheDarkKnight:

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I don't understand why so many people don't want to see these two different approaches.

The question to me is very simple. Does Ken/Invelos want to allow data that is not directly from the medium or the film itself.

I'm glad that someone finally made this exact point rationally without any insults.

There has been so much "this is how it's always been, if you don't like it gtho" verses new members and people who wish things were a little more 'simplified' who ask "But why are things [still] done this way?" that what gets ignored is a lot has changed with the software, the database, and probably also opinions since the program first hit a decent userbase and database size.

Yet it seems like the majority of the stubborn, no matter which side they are on, see everything in black and white. And this database is clearly anything but.


To use your words only to further my point (not to be critical of them), "DVDProfiler is based on data that can be verified on the cover or the disc itself." . . . that is unless it is not yet released (since pre-release profiles have been allowed for many years,) or is verifiable uncredited cast from some other source (which, by definition, you won't find in the DVDs movie credits,) or the SRP (which can be different depending on the website that you visit and when,) or the genres (which are generally 'common sense' but usually not spelled out on the back over,) or the release date (found on some other source rather than found on the DVD itself).

All of these are technically gray areas. Maybe some or all of them are spelled out in the rules, but my point is that we overlook them when the "This is a DVD database, not a movie database. Everything is taken from the DVD" backlash is used again and again. Not everything is directly from the DVD, and the fact that the Contributions forum is full of "how should this be done" questions shows that even for the things that are, the answers which you would think should be simple are instead often as clear as mud.


From what I understand, this topic/proposal is designed to help clear up the majority of these gray areas--not to muddy the waters even further, so to speak--even if it does mean a compromise or two from what people have been "used to" over time, and whether I am correct or not in my understanding, Ken gave this project the OK, so he obviously isn't hung up on the idea that "there's only one right way of doing things."

So, let's just move forward instead of backtracking on the same arguments that have been made for more than the 4 years I have been here. They haven't solved anything, and they don't help this project at all.