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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Ken has stated in the forum, I forget where, that you can use the official website in the case where either the crew are not listed (I've had a couple of Nat Geo DVDs that list "for credits, go to the website") or where the crew listing is problematic (Ponyo for example, where the crew were listed without any functions other than "we made this film"). Yes, but unfortunately that isn't in rules yet. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
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Slightly different matter in my opinion. In your case you use database for documentation which is very common, but you don't document the actual entries for the database.
I don't see much difference, in both cases the change and the documentation for that change are saved in the same database. The structure of the databases may be different, but the principle is much the same in my view. I understand your point and I believe that you understood mine. I just find version control software and relational database a bit different animals. I quess we just have to politely disagree  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian
And leaving off from back cover is useful how. Yes old hands like you and I know. But what about the neophyte who kid just learning from your example. Then we get people making the kind of comments found in this thread and others. If you are not going to clearly communicate through your notes then don't contribute. I am sure you recall the kind of detail which was included into notes and would be still had a certain subset of users not taken all the joy out of it for me. My notes were detailed and anyone viewing those notes today should find them useful, changed were explained and documented/justified | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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Ken has stated in the forum, I forget where, that you can use the official website in the case where either the crew are not listed (I've had a couple of Nat Geo DVDs that list "for credits, go to the website") or where the crew listing is problematic (Ponyo for example, where the crew were listed without any functions other than "we made this film").[ /blockquote]
Yes, but unfortunately that isn't in rules yet.
This I'd rich. Do now you are suggesting that let's comments are invalid unless he codifies them in the rules? That's convenient | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,652 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
This I'd rich. Do now you are suggesting that let's comments are invalid unless he codifies them in the rules? That's convenient Can we have that in English, please?  I assume you meant Ken's comments? Changing/clarifying the rules by commenting in the forum is rather like amending the law by putting up a notice on the bulletin board in City Hall. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Indeed I did Gunnar. I agree with what you say. But we do have users that constantly refer to his comments and that they will follow such guidance. Now we have someone seeming to say only when it suits him are kens comments valid. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Indeed I did Gunnar. I agree with what you say. But we do have users that constantly refer to his comments and that they will follow such guidance. Now we have someone seeming to say only when it suits him are kens comments valid. I have no idea what you are trying to say |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
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Working as a software developer I deal with a database like that every day, namely for version control (there are several, like CVS, Subversion, SourceSafe, etc.). Every change in software has to be documented as to what issue it relates to, what the change entails, etc.
In my line of work this is very widely used.
Slightly different matter in my opinion. In your case you use database for documentation which is very common, but you don't document the actual entries for the database. Actually the analogy of version control software is exactly what we do here and a perfect example Just think of code as data. You make your changes and you upload your changes describing what was changed and why. You are in fact altering a profile from one version to another. And the notes are describing the change from one to another. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh, I like you scooter. Exactly right. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
I think Jimmy is asking why would you lie, thereby saying you didn't, rather than saying you did. I think the problem there is just his English. Exactly, I probably just translate badly my french thinking on my keyboard  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Actually the analogy of version control software is exactly what we do here and a perfect example
Just think of code as data. You make your changes and you upload your changes describing what was changed and why.
You are in fact altering a profile from one version to another.
And the notes are describing the change from one to another. I don't think anybody is saying that documentation isn't required by the rules, it is. The disagreement comes when people say that voting 'no', to correct data, due to a lack of contribution notes, is required by the rules. I, and many others, don't believe it is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Martian
And leaving off from back cover is useful how. I don't believe I said it was useful just that I am not going to base my vote on the usefulness of the contribution notes. If I know the data is correct, I will vote yes. If I don't, and the notes provide no useful information, I will vote no. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | My Martian friend:
I don't wish to point fingers or insult. But it is exactly this attitude of accepting or making skip shod while hiding behind something Ken , the data is accurate screw the notes or whatever. As l previously notes you may know and I may know but we have thousands of users, do they all know, I guarantee that they dont. So what do garbage notes serve, even if Ken allows for it, they certainly do not serve other users now or in the future, they only serve the contributor. My focus is, always has been, and always will be best for the larger c9mmunity, not myself or what make my life easier or lazier. It is this prevalence of self~interest above community is why I stopped contributing altogether. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: January 11, 2008 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I see a contribution that is correct but has no notes or no useful notes, I will vote yes and make comment in the vote that the notes could be better, or just PM the person to add more info as to where he/she got the info. No need to vote no on a contribution that is correct. As Kathy stated, if he/she don't update the notes, the vote can be changed. If I am not sure of the contribution, I don't vote unless I have the time to check the contribution.
Better to be positive and get them to respond to doing a better job. I stopped contributing to DVDProfiler do to attacks of 1 person that seems to think that is the only way to fix what he thinks is a problem. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
My focus is, always has been, and always will be best for the larger comunity, not myself or what make my life easier or lazier. Is it the reason why you used imdb in place of the film credit in the past? |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Indeed I did Gunnar. I agree with what you say. But we do have users that constantly refer to his comments and that they will follow such guidance. Now we have someone seeming to say only when it suits him are kens comments valid. Let's be clear then - you consider that Ken's comments regarding the use of 3D is not valid? http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=585852&PageNum=3&messageID=1697026#M1697026 Or, is it only valid because it suits you? | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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