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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Please don't presume to tell me what I am talking about. I am not talking about font size. I am talking about the mixture of upper case letters and small caps. That is mixed case no matter how much you want to make it something else. Who said they weren't mixed case? I am fairly sure that I acknowledged the fact that they are meant to represent the lowercase letters. What I said, and Ken seems to have agreed with, is that they are all caps. That is a fact. Even the Wikipedia article, you quoted, says that they are capital letters. Quote:
In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures. As I said, we can't replicate the height, but we can...and should...replicate the characters. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Woah, the great font crisis has been resolved in under 10 pages? There's hope for us yet!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Woah, the great font crisis has been resolved in under 10 pages? There's hope for us yet!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am fairly sure that I acknowledged the fact that they are meant to represent the lowercase letters. They are in mixed case since as you admit the small caps represent lower case letters, therefore, we need to enter them into DVDP as all caps. Just makes absolutely no sense. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I am fairly sure that I acknowledged the fact that they are meant to represent the lowercase letters.
They are in mixed case since as you admit the small caps represent lower case letters, therefore, we need to enter them into DVDP as all caps.
Just makes absolutely no sense. Why not? People want to capture the essence of the overview, not just the text. My personal opinion - I capture the essence of the text in the scanned image. If I have questions, I can look at the scanned image and see all the colors, fonts, font sizes and everything else associated with that cover. I would much rather capture the text of the overview, without worrying about all the other special effects on the cover. I will follow all the rules and judgments that are set, but a lot of arguments could end if were capturing data and not style. | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
They are in mixed case since as you admit the small caps represent lower case letters, therefore, we need to enter them into DVDP as all caps.
Just makes absolutely no sense. Unless the entire overview is in all caps, we enter the characters exactly as they are. We do not enter what they represent. Makes perfect sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree... makes sense to me as well. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Makes perfect sense to me as well. If I could see an "n" I'd enter is as such. If I could see an " N" why would I enter an "n"? That doesn't make sense.  Remember, size isn't important  | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. Thank you, Ken. | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I will follow all the rules and judgments that are set, but a lot of arguments could end if were capturing data and not style.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Logic just went away. Small caps are not just a change in "font" size. They are weighted differently and the lower case letters are in fact the same (typographically speaking) as any other lower case letters. Ken, you really got this one incorrect.  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again, Cliff, that is not a relevant question in Profiler, we cannot represent size, and thank God for that. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Once again, Cliff, that is not a relevant question in Profiler, we cannot represent size, and thank God for that.
Skip It is NOT a size difference. It is specially designed characters. By insisting that it is a size difference, you reveal how ignorant you are about typefaces. Please write about what you know, and not reveal your ignorance of how I do my job... You want to tell me about designing database? I will listen and try to understand. But you ought not to lecture me on my career, my knowledge of what I do, and show how little you really know.  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cliff:
Did attack you, I think not. the points yo raise are valid in your prfession, they are not valid in profiler base ion the current capabilities of the programs. I understand exactly what you're saying, Perhaps you are not understanding me.
The attitude you are presenting why I am thrilled that we do not have size/font/color ability. I can see the arguments over is it 12 Pt. or 14, Arial or something else, which shade of red are they using.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
Logic just went away.
Small caps are not just a change in "font" size. They are weighted differently and the lower case letters are in fact the same (typographically speaking) as any other lower case letters. Ken, you really got this one incorrect. But we are not speaking typographically, and rightly so, in my opinion. How many average users are fluent in typography? While Ken's decision may not be logical in the typographical world, it is perfectly logical in the world of data entry. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, it is not. Small caps are not, in any way, all caps. To consider them as all caps is to be incorrect. If you can understand italics, or bold face, or bold italics, you should be able to understand that small caps are, by definition, mixed case. By your logic, we cannot render a script type as anything but italics. By amateurs proclaiming that small caps is all caps, by showing a complete lack of knowledge of how fonts are created, you ought not to repeat the demonstration of why wrong is right. The ruling stands, making zero sense. But it remains the ruling. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
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