This is my POV only mind you. As it says in the voting section of the rules you should only vote per the rules.

So to me that means if you truly believe they do not belong per the rules you should vote no. And not add them yourself of course.

If you truly believe it is correct per the rules you should vote yes and feel free to add them yourself of course.

You should also explaining how you think it is right per the rules in your contribution notes... as the no voter should explain why they think it is wrong per the rules in their no vote.

From there it is up to the screeners to look at the rule and decide whether or not the contribution should be approved.

I would love to see Ken or Geri clarify it once and for all. But until then I truly believe everyone should do what they believe the rules are calling for. And then from there let the screeners sort it out.

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TV Series (UK) TV Season (USA) = the same thing. 

That's enough to convince me the languages are different and should not be treated the same.

The languages are not different.  They are both English.  The usage of certain words of the language is different, just as it is between New York and Mississippi. Soda vs. pop vs tonic vs coke, etc.

Do you consider the dialect of Texas or Alabama to be a "foreign language"?

Last I checked, Texas and Alabama weren't foreign countries, though I could be wrong. 

You completely missed the point.

Tim's argument is that because the UK uses different "terms" for certain crew roles, this in essence makes English spoken in the UK a foreign language relative to English spoken in the U.S. and therefore we can apply the "direct translation" part of the Rule.

Texas uses different "terms" for certain things relative to New York.  My question was, does that make English spoken in Texas a foreign language for the folks in New York.  Because that's in reality what Tim, and you based on your posts, are saying.

I'd like to see any language translation dictionary for UK English to U.S. English that has an entry in it stating the translation for "Dubbing Mixer" is "Sound Re-Recording Mixer".  If they are truly "foreign" languages to each other, then surely such a dictionary exists!

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The rules don't mention that it should be a foreign language. It just says direct translation. Moreover, specialized technical terminology often can't be found in a standard dictionary.

That parenthetic phrase was added to the Rules in DIRECT response to the complaint here in the forums that the wording of the Rules prevented foreign language credits from being entered in DVDP, so although the word "foreign" does not appear, that is precisely why it was added.

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This is my POV only mind you. As it says in the voting section of the rules you should only vote per the rules.

So to me that means if you truly believe they do not belong per the rules you should vote no. And not add them yourself of course.

If you truly believe it is correct per the rules you should vote yes and feel free to add them yourself of course.

You should also explaining how you think it is right per the rules in your contribution notes... as the no voter should explain why they think it is wrong per the rules in their no vote.

From there it is up to the screeners to look at the rule and decide whether or not the contribution should be approved.

I would love to see Ken or Geri clarify it once and for all. But until then I truly believe everyone should do what they believe the rules are calling for. And then from there let the screeners sort it out.

As it's a hell of a lot easier to add data than remove it from the online db I'm not inclined to agree Pete. Sorry.

IMO everyone should err on the side of caution and not contribute data that may have to be removed at a later date - thereby causing more work.

If these entries ARE allowed at some point it will be easy enough for me to change my Other to the appropriate sound entries and submit them.

I thought the whole point here was to keep bad data out of the online db; and while these entries may NOT be bad data, at this point we don't know for sure.

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Fully agree with that, Pete! 

A little late but, I too, fully agree with that.

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The rules don't mention that it should be a foreign language. It just says direct translation. Moreover, specialized technical terminology often can't be found in a standard dictionary.

That parenthetic phrase was added to the Rules in DIRECT response to the complaint here in the forums that the wording of the Rules prevented foreign language credits from being entered in DVDP, so although the word "foreign" does not appear, that is precisely why it was added.

Maybe the word 'foreign' was omited on purpose so that it wouldn't be limited to languages like Spanish, or German, or Flemish, etc.  Just some food for thought. 

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You completely missed the point.

I didn't miss your point.  Texas is part of the US and, from where I am sitting, not a foreign country.  The UK, however, is.

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Tim's argument is that because the UK uses different "terms" for certain crew roles, this in essence makes English spoken in the UK a foreign language relative to English spoken in the U.S. and therefore we can apply the "direct translation" part of the Rule.

Texas uses different "terms" for certain things relative to New York.  My question was, does that make English spoken in Texas a foreign language for the folks in New York.  Because that's in reality what Tim, and you based on your posts, are saying.

Again, last time I checked, Texas...where I am from...is not a foreign country.  The UK, where they speak 'The Queen's English', is.  That is what I am saying.  You don't have to agree but, absent a ruling to the contrary from Ken or Gerri, I am going to go with my own opinion on this.  You, of course, are free to go with your's.

Clearly you have no intention of reading or comprehending my point.

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Yeah....that makes a lot of sense. 

As sombody said to me, just the other day, what makes sense to you doesn't really matter. 

Beyond that, if you will look at my last post, I dropped the foreign portion of my arguement when I remembered that the rule doesn't use that word.  No point in arguing a point that has no bearing on the issue at hand.

What does have an impact on this issue, as you seem to have realized because you posted a definition of it, is the term 'translation'.

Webster's dictionary defines translation as "an act, process, or instance of translating: as a : a rendering from one language into another."

Webster's dictionary defines language as "the words, their pronunciation, and the methods of combining them used and understood by a community."

Based on those two definitions, rendering from British English into American English is a form of translation.