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In your opinion it's OK for me to contribute Finnish "True Blood: The complete First Season: Disc 1" Disc ID as a alternative Disc ID for US profile?????

This is a rather absurd extrapolation.  Nothing of the sort has been implied or even hinted at.  The discussion is about two different Disc IDs within the same locality.

a) it isn't against the rules so we can do it?
b) what's the differense, you add information to incorrect profile

First as to "a", yes it is against the rules.  In the beginning it says "Make sure that the locality selected is correct for the release"

So that would negate "b"

As far as the rest of the discussion about correct profile, I think you are making an assumption that the DiscID must match the unique ID based upon a dsicID to make it a correct profile.  This argument is wrong on it's face.  Once I edit a profile, and get the unique identifier from the DiscID, that field is no longer the DiscID, it is now the ID for the profile, just as the UPC  becomes a unique ID.

The real question comes down to this.  In DVDP world, is the DiscID+locality the equivalent of UPC+locality?

1)  If the answer to this question is "yes", then we need to treat these profiles, just as we do a UPC based profile.  An interpretation of the rules would say this is the case.  If so, then adding alternate disc ID's would be appropriate

2) If the answer to this question is "no", then the rules really need to explicitly state this. Then we need to contribute individual profiles for each disc ID.

If we look at a consensus within this thread, it looks like people would rather have option 2, for as much as consensus means around here.

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First as to "a", yes it is against the rules.  In the beginning it says "Make sure that the locality selected is correct for the release"

You are absolutely right, my bad,  but to make any sense it should say "Make sure that the locality and UPC/Disc ID selected is correct for the release.

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The real question comes down to this.  In DVDP world, is the DiscID+locality the equivalent of UPC+locality?

Yes, it is a database primary key that separates one profile from another.

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1)  If the answer to this question is "yes", then we need to treat these profiles, just as we do a UPC based profile.  An interpretation of the rules would say this is the case.  If so, then adding alternate disc ID's would be appropriate

No it's not. If your Disc ID + locality doesn't match you are editing incorrect profile.

It doesn't make any sence that we start to add for example Ran (Criterion collection) [715515016827] disc ID as an alternative disc ID to Ran (StudioCanal Collection) [012236107798] profile just because rules doesn't prohibit that. I cannot find any rule which would prohibit that move and it's exactly the same thing that Pete is doing here.

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That is why I said it can be read more then one way.

Your (now withdrawn?) contribution isn't against rules since there is a universal size loophole in rules which allows us to do practically what we like in editing wise, as long as the locality matches. There isn't a rule what prohibits to change Matrix (US) profile title to Mulholland Drive (US). Rules are talking about creating a new profile, not editing an existing one.

Any way "per rules" or not, adding an alternative Disc ID to incorrect profile doesn't make any sense.

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It doesn't make any sence that we start to add for example Ran (Criterion collection) [715515016827] disc ID as an alternative disc ID to Ran (StudioCanal Collection) [012236107798] profile just because rules doesn't prohibit that. I cannot find any rule which would prohibit that move and it's exactly the same thing that Pete is doing here.

Pete is within the same locality. He isn't adding anything from a different locality. The question is, are we supposed to enter an alternate disc ID to a profile that is based on a disc ID. In my opinion we should not because it's different from adding an alternate disc ID to a UPC based profile. This profile exists and the alternate disc ID has the same UPC but not in this case. There is no UPC, it's a disc ID and that does not match the the profile in the database and the rules tell us to create a new profile because this title is not in the database under this disc ID.

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That is why I said it can be read more then one way.

Your (now withdrawn?) contribution isn't against rules since there is a universal size loophole in rules which allows us to do practically what we like in editing wise, as long as the locality matches. There isn't a rule what prohibits to change Matrix (US) profile title to Mulholland Drive (US). Rules are talking about creating a new profile, not editing an existing one.

Any way "per rules" or not, adding an alternative Disc ID to incorrect profile doesn't make any sense.

doesn't make any sense to you obviously... That don't mean everyone has to agree with you. We are supposed to contribute and vote per the rules not per what we think makes the most sense.

But as I said... I can see it being read both ways... so as I said... I will (and am) waiting for an official clarification.

But Pete your title isn't in the database. It has no UPC so it's a title that should be in the database by disc ID but it's not because it has a different disc ID than what's in the database. The rules then say to add this title by disc ID.

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That is why I said it can be read more then one way.

Your (now withdrawn?) contribution isn't against rules since there is a universal size loophole in rules which allows us to do practically what we like in editing wise, as long as the locality matches. There isn't a rule what prohibits to change Matrix (US) profile title to Mulholland Drive (US). Rules are talking about creating a new profile, not editing an existing one.

Any way "per rules" or not, adding an alternative Disc ID to incorrect profile doesn't make any sense.

doesn't make any sense to you obviously... That don't mean everyone has to agree with you.

Just out of curiosity... in your opinion it makes sense?

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No... it is not a burnt DVD... it is from a store bought set. Just like any other DVD the DVDs in TV Series and Box sets do have alternate Disc ID. No different then any other (single film or what have you) release.

well that explains it, ,there are tons of manufacturing 'disc plants'  and each plant has its own own  ' stamper'  ..( thus the different ID )

Of course you can put in the supplied disc ID ..  ..... this has been the norm for years here at Invelos /Profiler  . ..

Ken has said in the past he was going to keep a data base of these extra disc ID's ..

The whole idea behind Disc ID is for your your PC ( dvd-rom) either your current one or the new one you will purchase in two three years is to Identify the supplied disc i n your tray for its own number to be sorted out and found quickly ..  It is not for the whole world to see and abide by .....

I have the same situation with profiles having a different disc ID and they have always been accepted ..  or to keep the peace -  mention this in  your notes ,, and lock off your disc ID once you have contributed so they don't get changed back ..    Even if you get No votes ( from others who don't know,, )  the screeners  will see and give a Yes over ridding the No vote .

Are you sure you understand what this discussion is about? It's not about adding an alternate disc ID to a profile that is in the database under a UPC.

if the profile doesn't exist how is he getting no votes ..?  Like I said .. I have seen and contriubuted my self same locality same upc differant disc Id and it Always gets accepted .. 

as per  rules :    If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler. .

Am I missing something here in the 6 pages .. of back and forth contradictory observations .......???