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MikaLove, I feel your pain.

Imagine how hard it is for an Englishman to deal with all the overviews with their colors neighbors, airplanes, moms, centers, programs, etc.

I die a little inside each time I have to type these words like that to match the text.

Honestly, the things I sacrifice for the sake of the database...  I’m such a martyr! 

And what would the Queens English versions be?

Let's see:
colors = colours
neighbors = neighbours
airplanes = ??
moms = mums?
centers = ??
programs = programmes?

Not that it matters, i just copy what's on the cover, just curious though,

Paul

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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I had written again a huge amount of good text and it was erased because it "took too long" to post it.

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I had written again a huge amount of good text and it was erased because it "took too long" to post it.

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Still signed in. Possibility 2 did not work. I agree with MikaLove that it is very annoying.

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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exactly... has nothing to do with respect in any way. Just to do with following the rules exactly as written.

But I wasn't ONLY talking about respect, I was talking about accepting the fact that SINCE we are from different parts of the world, we have different standards.
Why am I supposed to "convert" to another standard just because I'm contributing to an American profile? It doesn't say I have to in the rules!
I know only of dash and en-dash and that is what I use. Those are the grammatical rules that I have learned and that we learn in our schools. It can't be said that it is wrong!
YOU can say so because you have a different knowledge, but I think the respect should lie in that we ARE from different countries.

So why can't you keep you American things local? As we contributors clearly aren't demanded to know some kind of obsolete(?) American grammar.
And there is no point in "educating" people as well, because most may not understand why we should be educated about this issue. Which is also a rather tiny issue.

Em-dash is not in my system and therefor I will never interpret a dash as such. Regardless of what some of you have learned in the U.S.
A dash is a dash is a dash... Like someone here already wrote.

The way I see it, Ken's em-dash is for you guys over the Atlantic...

Or why hasn't he added all the characters for foreign texts as well...?

I will not use em-dashes and I will be correct in my choice. That's where the respect for me (and all others) should be.
Why can't you accept an en-dash just the same way I should accept your em-dashes?
The thing is and the BIG issue is that I am regardless of which using correct grammar.

Or, otherwise, there has to be made a clear explanation about various regions' grammar.
But the easiest way is to just accept that some people (a few) use em-dash and others use the en-dash.
Because you can't just assume that everyone knows about the em-dash or its use.
And here we have a six page quarrel about it.
And that's not because I'm inconsistent about following rules, but because my knowledge is different.

Lastly, the thing being discussed here is that we (you) should input what kind of character you see in the overview. To you, an em-dash is a dash with a width of an "m", but to me that is insignificant.
So if you use an em-dash in a foreign overview, you will be incorrect. But you wouldn't know that you were incorrect.
That's why I think that everyone can input whatever they prefer and variants can be kept locally.
In this case it's about being an expert in another language. So I think it would be sufficient to be an expert in one's own language.
Another thing that hasn't been really discussed if the font used is limited and doesn't differ enough between dash, en-dash and em-dash.

Let's look at it this way: how could you ever "trust me" with handling the em-dash correctly, if I have not at all learned about it?
I have, like I mentioned before, the best grades in English and have studied a lot of grammar, but have never read anything about the em-dash. I also own a few books about English, such as Webster's Third New International Dictionary, a book on grammar and others on spelling. That should really be enough, but none of those books write anything about em-dashes or more importantly how they are used.

So if anyone uses dash+en-dash instead where you would prefer the em-dash for various reasons, I think you could be kind enough to still vote YES and let it pass. If you the think it's so important to have the "American em-dash", then make another contribution...! Don't tell me that I am wrong, when my knowledge of English is better than many others'. For example.

The Rules say to use the "standard capitalization rules for the locality of the DVD" when converting all caps to mixed case in the Overview.

It only stands to reason that if we're using rules of the locality of the DVD for that purpose, that we would use the rules of the locality for dashes as well.  If you're working on a Region 1, U.S. locality profile it should conform to the Region 1, U.S. locality rules.  That only makes sense.

Just like with all caps conversion, if Yves (surfeur51) told me that I had done a French locality Overview incorrectly, based on his superior understanding of French rules, I would immediately acquiesce to his knowledge and correct it after he told me how it should be done.

It seems that this is simply common courtesy to the native speaking people of the DVD locality.

Exactly... we are talking about Region 1 US profiles here... You can't be surprised that the profiles follows  the US standards. Mainly because they are US Releases... and the overviews themselves are most likely being done by people in the US.... so they will most likely use US standards as well.

We can't contribute profiles worrying about how someone outside the US not liking the standards that the US uses just because they either imported the R1 release or are using the region one profiles for whatever reason.

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So if anyone uses dash+en-dash instead where you would prefer the em-dash for various reasons, I think you could be kind enough to still vote YES and let it pass. If you the think it's so important to have the "American em-dash", then make another contribution...! Don't tell me that I am wrong, when my knowledge of English is better than many others'. For example.

First the only reason I would prefer an EM-Dash is if that is what I see on the source material. With that said... Why would I vote yes to something I know is wrong per the source material (after all these are the US region 1 profiles for the US region 1 releases). No... I should do what I always do... vote no with reason... and let it go from there.

On the sentence I put in bold... that is confusing me... this all started because you didn't like the contributions I did because I used EM-Dashes. So they are already profiles I am fixing.  But yet you saying if I see something that I know to be wrong I should be "kind enough to still vote yes"? Sorry... but it just don't work that way.

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Still signed in. Possibility 2 did not work. I agree with MikaLove that it is very annoying.

Strange.
For me it works perfectly (using Opera 11.5 and IE9)

Strange, Sir. Do you have a Firefox (-portable) for counter checking? Here v6. I have the error for quite some time now.

And/or would you test this with Opera and/or IE:

"Reply with Quote". Input text or don't. Wait, or edit the text, for "some time" (half an hour, maybe considerably less).

Click Preview.

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Sometimes the browser cache is preventing the correct forwarding. So in addition to Possibility 2 try the following: Return to the tab with the message, Highlight and Copy your message,

The draft is irrecoverably lost.