We have discussed this many times. There are those who believe that the Crew chart must be followed exactly to the letter - no exceptions. I do not agree. I will list a few areas in which I do not follow the rules chart and my rationale for including specific Crew not listed on the Chart.

DIRECTION: CREW CHART LIST: Director or Directed by

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then Directors (plural) must be excluded. Why? Because the word Directors is not listed on the Chart.

There are many times that Directors are listed in the DVD credits and I they are a legitimate credit and should be included.  The Crew Chart should not be followed just because the plural form of Director is not included.

WRITING: Screenwriters: CREW CHART LIST: Screenwriter, Screenplay and Teleplay

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded. One must also exclude Crew credited with “Written for Television by”.

Plurals I would treat the same as Directors - see above. I would treat the other Crew member the same why I would “Written for the Screen by”.

There is a thread dealing with this issue: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=546048&PageNum=1

WRITING: Writer: CREW CHART LIST:  Writer, Written by

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded.

Plurals - see rationale above.


PRODUCTION: Producer:/Executive Producer: CREW CHART LIST: Producer. Produced by, A [name] Production/Executive Producer

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded.

Plurals - see rationale above.

CINEMITOGRAPHY: CREW CHART LIST:  Cinematographer, If no Cinematographer: Photographed by, Photography by, Lighting & Photography by

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded. We would also need to exclude a Crew member listed as Photographs by.

Plurals - see rationale above.

Etc. I’m not going to list each and every credit that deals with Crew members who are listed in the DVDs  in the plural form. Either you argue to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written or not. I choose to follow the DVD credits and believe the Crew Chart can never be completely inclusive.

FILM EDITING: Film Editor: CREW CHART LIST:  Film Editor, Edited by

If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written then Editor or Film Editing would be excluded.

Film Editing is only listed under Section and not under Role or Credited As - should one exclude this Crew members then? 

ART CREW: Visual Effects: CREW CHART LIST:  Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director,
Special Photographic Effects

Strict compliance of the rules would exclude any Crew member who has the word Artist in their credit.

The section head is Art - therefore every one of these Crew are Artists and should be included.

I believe this illustrates why I believe a binary approach does not apply to the Crew Chart.

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Strict compliance of the rules would exclude any Crew member who has the word Artist in their credit.

The section head is Art - therefore every one of these Crew are Artists and should be included.

The following roles are included in the chart:

Chief Makeup Artist,
Department Head, Make-Up Artist,
Head Make-Up Artist,
Key Make-Up Artist,
Key Makeup Artist & Hairstylist,
Lead Makeup Artist,
Makeup Artist,
Makeup Artist & Hair to

What other "artists" are excluded that you want to include?

We also do not track ALL sound jobs, which personally is a good thing.  Just because there is an "Art" category, doesn't mean we want to track every role with the word "art" or "artist" in it.

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What other "artists" are excluded that you want to include?

We also do not track ALL sound jobs, which personally is a good thing.  Just because there is an "Art" category, doesn't mean we want to track every role with the word "art" or "artist" in it.

Sorry Hal - I was not talking about those Crew listed under the Role Makeup Artist but discussing artists listed under Visual Effects.

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If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded.

I agree with you. Roles in plural form must be kept local. Rules are rules, and common sense is strictly forbidden, as the majority of users voted for.

You are agreeing with those who are for strict compliance of following the Crew Chart exactly as written - I am not one of them.

So, I'm afraid you disagree with me!

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If one were to follow the Crew Chart exactly as written  then plural forms must be excluded.

I agree with you. Roles in plural form must be kept local. Rules are rules, and common sense is strictly forbidden, as the majority of users voted for.

Sorry, but for me, this argument is just silly.

I am not talking about any of the people you have listed Hal. I am strictly discussing the Crew Chart entries only.

The point I am making is that if someone on the chart is listed BUT has the word Artist added - I would include them such as Visual Effects Artist(s) or Digital Effects Artist(s).

I don't see this as being any different than including Crew members who are listed as plurals.

You can not say the second is okay but not the first because both are personal opinions since neither are specifically listed on the Crew Chart.

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If you really feel this way (although I believe the "plurals" argument is just a red herring), why can't you simply use the custom role fields to enter the ones that don't match?

Absolutely correct, hal. Yet another attemp[t to throw mud into the water. But what Kathy believes is that she understands the Rules and she had nothing to do with them in any form, Hal. At least you, I and some others have some basis of background in the area.

One of the main problems I have... and one of the main reasons I don't vote on Crew only contributions... a lot of the time all we see in the notes is that they "added crew members from Credits" Not giving us the info we need to know if they are following the chart exactly... or using what they consider common sense to figure out who goes where.

I have literally thousands of movies on DVD... Even if I wanted to... I wouldn't have time to pull out every disc and watch the credits of every movie to see if what is contributed matches.

I feel we either need to go strictly by what the chart says... or Ken give us open crew credits within the categories that we have now... and have it so we upload crediting them exactly as they are in the credits.

If I understand correctly, the argumentation goes something like this:
- You must follow the rules exactly to the letter
- But that would exclude plurals...
- Don't be silly, not as exactly to the letter as that!

To me, that makes about as much sense as 99% binary...