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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Why is it that you always change to something else when you realize you got yourself stuck?

And why is that intelligent, it's called doing your own thing. How do you know that it wasn't done on purpose, let's say as a joke? Why would you use that rule where it states "When there is no overview......"


Umm DarkKnight, Pete is absolutely correct. seeing as how this thread is about Overviews NOT Running Time whoever intorduced Runtime into this discussion to tryand justify something relating ws the one whoe swerved off track. But runtime is a piece of data that is contained in two places, ususally, the back cover and the disc itself and our Rules specify the disc itself, if there is a discrepancy between the disc and the Cover.. The Overview is typically only contained in one locatiopn, the back cover.

Now if i understand your other comment about Pete's knowing something relative to this Rule. He was one of the members that was instrumental in the writing of the Rule and ken ratified it, so I think he has a leg up on you in that regard.


What are you talking about Skip? I never responded to anything Pete said, I responded only to Yves. I think to totally misread my post. You should read it again Skip. I really don't understand what you are telling me here.

Ok, I just looked back and I guess I see why you think I am responding to Pete. He posted while I was typing my response to Yves. My post has nothing to do with Pete's. post.

OK, my bad
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but he can't call this silly? 

He can . Just I do not want to discuss with him anymore. And people who disagree with my opinion can also not discuss with me and leave me alone with my stupid ideas.


ROFLMAO, you said it....not me
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OK, my bad


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Yves big problem as I see it and have tried to explain to him numerous times is that DVDProfiler has a definition for accuracy that is built-around actual data, or in other words as credited, no matter what piece of data it is we are referring to

"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."

In other words As Credited. Yves wants to define accuracy built around his all-knowing ability to be able ascertain what is a typo, what is bad grammar, what someone's name is, etc., all of this is data by Yves. Yves possesses skills far beyond those of normal humans, I can only leap tall buildings in many bounds. (the problem when I get to the top is coming back down) SPLAT
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Yves,

For what it's worth, I agree with you.  I think too many people who are concerned with "as credited" have taken over the forum.  I, too think we should be more concerned with the actual movie

So then, after we have had abstruse discussions about Polynesian punctuation rules, we'll reconsider the "Running Time".

To begin with, many, of the many, RC2 DVD releases suffer from the PAL speed-up syndrome, accordingly the Running Time in all the profiles should be increased by 4.17%, then, censored releases, we should always enter the Running Time of the (somewhere) uncensored movie.

Then we'll use the theatrical release (country of origin) movie poster instead of the actual cover scan.

Then...
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Yves,

For what it's worth, I agree with you.  I think too many people who are concerned with "as credited" have taken over the forum.  I, too think we should be more concerned with the actual movie

So then, after we have had abstruse discussions about Polynesian punctuation rules, we'll reconsider the "Running Time".

To begin with, many, of the many, RC2 DVD releases suffer from the PAL speed-up syndrome, accordingly the Running Time in all the profiles should be increased by 4.17%, then, censored releases, we should always enter the Running Time of the (somewhere) uncensored movie.

Then we'll use the theatrical release (country of origin) movie poster instead of the actual cover scan.

Then...


I absolutely agree on your assessment bbbbbbbbbbbbbb but we need to first start a poll what "The country of origin" really is. What if the company sits in AUS but the owner lives in Monaco and was born in Israel?
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This seems like an odd stance to take when, as I just pointed out, you are being just as insulting. 

You consider I was insulting because I wrote that I live in real word. I really do not see how this is insulting. Nobody can deny the fact that, in real world, we have actors named (just examples) Bruce Willis or Nicole Kidman. If we enter in a database Brace Willis or Nicole Kadmin, we create a fake world, with data that concern only dvdprofiler online database. I can understand that some users prefer this fake world as it represents what is (voluntarily or not) on the cover, but I give my own feeling that I prefer to see real world data.

The fact that overview text has filtering functions proves that Ken did not wanted, at the beginning, just to reproduce the cover, thing that is perfectly done by the scan. If the overview does not represent the movie, its filtering function becomes totally useless.

Once again, I do not see anything insulting to say that I prefer "real world" data.
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Yves, let me ask you this. Let's say an actor wants his name written different than it would be done under French rules and he had his name changed officially. What are you going to do? Are you using his legal name or the version that should be correct according to French language rules? The credit for his first movie lists the correct French spelling but that isn't how the actor spells his name.
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Yves, let me ask you this. Let's say an actor wants his name written different than it would be done under French rules and he had his name changed officially. What are you going to do? Are you using his legal name or the version that should be correct according to French language rules? The credit for his first movie lists the correct French spelling but that isn't how the actor spells his name.

For me the "correct" name is the one used in medias all over the world to speak of this actor. If someone changes officially his name, I have no problem with that, as I have no problem to use stage names as Miou-Miou or Bourvil. But this has nothing to do with this thread which speaks of errors in overviews, not only names, and of course has nothing to do with French spelling rules. I gave examples of Willis and  Kidman who are not French, and have no accent on their name.
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Please enlighten me.  What is the purpose of typing out the overview if you are trying to duplicate errors and all?  It's not as if we are going to do a search on it.  Why shouldn't good quality scan of the back cover suffice for all those that want to see exact reproduction of the overview?
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Please enlighten me.  What is the purpose of typing out the overview if you are trying to duplicate errors and all?  It's not as if we are going to do a search on it.  Why shouldn't good quality scan of the back cover suffice for all those that want to see exact reproduction of the overview?


Who is going to scan and host the "good quality scans" for the entire database? The storage space, not withstanding, there are many, many overviews on the covers in the database that are barely legible for a number of reasons: foil covers, lenticular covers, black text on a red background, etc, etc, etc. And as far as your comment "It's not as if we are going to do a search on it" goes...wrong. I search the overview for keywords in order to find a particular film whos title may escape me.
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Yves, let me ask you this. Let's say an actor wants his name written different than it would be done under French rules and he had his name changed officially. What are you going to do? Are you using his legal name or the version that should be correct according to French language rules? The credit for his first movie lists the correct French spelling but that isn't how the actor spells his name.

For me the "correct" name is the one used in medias all over the world to speak of this actor. If someone changes officially his name, I have no problem with that, as I have no problem to use stage names as Miou-Miou or Bourvil. But this has nothing to do with this thread which speaks of errors in overviews, not only names, and of course has nothing to do with French spelling rules. I gave examples of Willis and  Kidman who are not French, and have no accent on their name.


I just made this example up to show you that what you call the "real world name" might not be the "real" name of the person and it can many times be very difficult to find out what the correct "real" name is. You will think that the credits are correct because that's how it should be spelled according to what you learned but it's not (In my fictional case here). There are always exceptions that we don't know about. The "credited as" feature is not perfect but it allows us to link together all the different versions of a name if done right. There are better ways to do it but none is perfect and all of them involve us users putting in the correct actor's name.
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I think too many people who are concerned with "as credited" have taken over the forum.

Even if this was correct (from my POV, it seems to be exactly the other direction), the forum doesn't have any power, we don't have any power to decide anything.

Ken has, and he publishes his decisions in the contribution rules (or sometimes even in the forum).

We may discuss if the rules make any sense, or if they should be changed, but the final decision is up to Ken. If Ken doesn't change the rules, we have to live with what we have, which is: "As credited" and not some fictional "I say that this is the correct way".

Heck, profiling could be astonishingly easy if we all could agree on the simple: "If in doubt: Enter what you see".
We can't, so we get a 6 pages+ discussion about a question that could have been answered in the first reply, and was (correctly) answered in the second reply with a simple hint on the basis of all our contributions.

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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case.


I considered the meaning of the word "copy" to be quite self-explaining, obviously it isn't ...
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You consider I was insulting because I wrote that I live in real word. I really do not see how this is insulting.

Are you serious?  The way you responded, you implied that everyone else didn't because they had a different opinion.  That is an insult.
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Nobody can deny the fact that, in real world, we have actors named (just examples) Bruce Willis or Nicole Kidman. If we enter in a database Brace Willis or Nicole Kadmin, we create a fake world, with data that concern only dvdprofiler online database. I can understand that some users prefer this fake world as it represents what is (voluntarily or not) on the cover, but I give my own feeling that I prefer to see real world data.

Your stance ignores the fact that, in the real world, those errors exist.  If we enter anything other than what is written in the credits or on the cover, we create a fake representation.  You may not like it, but it does exist in the real world.
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The fact that overview text has filtering functions proves that Ken did not wanted, at the beginning, just to reproduce the cover, thing that is perfectly done by the scan. If the overview does not represent the movie, its filtering function becomes totally useless.

What Ken wanted, only he knows.  The original guidelines also said that the "overview should generally match the overview text on the back of the DVD case."  Since Ken wrote those guidelines, I have to believe that he always wanted it to match.
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Once again, I do not see anything insulting to say that I prefer "real world" data.

I am sorry, but you don't prefer real world data.  You prefer data that you believe to be correct.  There is a difference.
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I'll  Repeat again what I said three pages Back  .. as NO One commented on it.. so it needs to be repeated :   

that running times and actors names are in the movie itself which we take over any cover art .. But unfortunately the over view for the  description of said movie is Not in the actual movie therefore we would be compelled as per rules to take that overview as deemed correct   .
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