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Eg. If I have Wanda De Jesus locallly in 26 titles; but the CLT tells me it should be Wanda DeJesus

CLT numbers: 71 titles for your Wanda De Jesus; only 3 for Wanda DeJesus. So the CLT numbers actually support your own findings, not the other way around... 

I think he was just using her as an example, rather than someone he had actually checked the CLT for.  Correct me if I'm wrong, Pantheon.

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Eg. If I have Wanda De Jesus locallly in 26 titles; but the CLT tells me it should be Wanda DeJesus

CLT numbers: 71 titles for your Wanda De Jesus; only 3 for Wanda DeJesus. So the CLT numbers actually support your own findings, not the other way around... 

I think he was just using her as an example, rather than someone he had actually checked the CLT for.  Correct me if I'm wrong, Pantheon.

That's exactly what I was doing. Not a real example!

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All in all, in my experience the problem you're describing, using "not a real example", hardly exists anymore. That was my point.

I have more than 500 accented names in this case "which hardly exist anymore".

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No, you don't, since per the rules, accented names are not an issue. If you don't want to follow the rules, that's your choice, and you're welcome to it, but that's an entirely different matter.

I think that's just it: for the standards set by Invelos, there are fewer and fewer issues. The problem is that for a group of users (I won't say how big that group is as I have no way of knowing that), the problem lies in the fact that the current standard does not meet with their day-to-day requirements

For those users, they have big problems with names that:
- are asian (and I really mean all asian naming conventions or lack thereof is handled very poorly by the current standards)
- contain accents
- contain characters that cannot be displayed by DVDP
- don't link correctly

For those people there are a lot of issues with the current system and I think it would be unfair to them to sweep that under the rug with a blanket statement like "things are improving per the rules and current system". Of course they are. But therein lies the problem: the currents system was clearly designed with only Hollywood actors in mind but this is a software and online database sold to, used by and complemented by an international community. Even if the international consumers (or consumers with international titles in their collection) are a minority, I think still we need to face that the current rules and system doesn't offer an answer for them as long as it doesn't, these threads and discussions will keep popping up.

In my opinion, rules should be there to improve clarity, usability and create a standard for the good of the whole community. Right now, I'm not convinced it does that ... or at least, not for every category of user.

The ideal I think would be a system as discussed before, where each actor/crew member has a unique ID to which are linked all name variants, including the credited as name. That would leave everyone to locally do as they please with a switch or option setting while at the same time tremendously improve correct linking.

But such a system is years away, if ever it will come, I'm afraid. So for the time being, I adapt things locally and keep them to myself. It's the only solution under the current rule set and system.


That being said, don't get me wrong: I really appreciate the hard work T!M and others put into all those CLT results and corrections, as it improves linking under the current system and rules. I just wish there was a better way to go about it, both for the end user (who would gets better naming conventions and even better linking) as well as for the contributors (who have to keep checking and changing common names as the CLT evolves)

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I really appreciate the hard work T!M and others put into all those CLT results and corrections, as it improves linking under the current system and rules.

Sadly it doesn't... It isn't because two names sound alike that it means it's the same person and if you can't check visually in the film to be sure the risk of error is highly present. This is why the current common name system doesn't work and never won't...

So it's hard to appreciate a form of works (to not say a blind crusade) who isn't usefull and more problematic than anything else...

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Says the guy who wouldn't know correct data if it bit him in the face...

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I believe the original poster's question has been answered.

In my opinion, this thread is becoming inappropriate and I request that it be locked.

Thank you.

Hear, hear!

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Says the guy who wouldn't know correct data if it bit him in the face...

Yea, I had to go with this as well.  Funny that the comment came from a guy who, in another thread, said " Is it really necessary to drag every discussion into the gutter like that?"