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AB Svensk Filmindustri or Svensk Filmindustri?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Heck, some people don't even write the full studio names. It's like they got a heart attack when they were typing; "Artisan Home Enter", or whatever.


Not likely an input error, but caused by a limitation in the program itself.

It's good that you clean them up when you spot them, but maybe you should tone down the critisisms against the users somewhat before you know the full picture.

I would agree with that Kino
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I did some research for D.E.

But so far you've only shared the logo. What else have you found?
I've been doing some searching as well and found documentation that supports both names, but nothing definitive - like an official site or something like that.

I have also found both variants. I am even beginning to believe the "full name" is D.E.C. I found some business sites, like Variety, Businessweek, et al.

But what I'm after is, are they formally or informally mentioned as Davis Entertainment.

There are other companies which call themselves other things sometimes. I can't come up with many good examples, though.
A few productions I have in my collection state "SVT Drama" as the production company, but now we all know that they equal "Sveriges Television". Completely different. I mean, SVT Drama is not a company. They (Sveriges Television) just call themselves that when they make drama programs or films. I can't swear that I'm right about that, however...

It's quite a jungle, but I think we must at least know basic things and more about the companies.
Otherwise there could be lots of variants for the same company.

And about criticism it feels that people criticize me just as much, when I contribute. I mean about little things. I try to do a LOT, but sometimes it doesn't feel like I get the praise that I feel I deserve.
And another thing about me is that I can admit when I am wrong. And when I discover I am wrong.
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I repeat, Mika. For Contribution what you"believe" has no relevance, NONE, zip, zero. That is you local. The ONLY thing that is importtant is what the CREDIT actually SAYS, not what you believe it to be, not what you want it to be, not what you imagine it to be, but what it ACTUALLY say On Screen.Period. If your data is different from that which appears on screen then you are WRONG.
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But still you can't say that SVT should be credited as SVT as we found out that they are to be called Sveriges Television, because that is their official name.

Still "SVT" is what they use on DVD covers, etc.
Maybe,, in some years, people won't know that SVT means Sveriges Television.
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And about criticism it feels that people criticize me just as much, when I contribute.

Not sure what you mean by this, but I'm guessing you're talking about "no" votes. If you weren't, ignore the following waffle. 

First thing you should know is not to take "no" votes personally. They are not there to criticise your contribution, but simply to let you know that someone has found a problem with it. Unfortunately some users aren't very good at writing polite comments and some will come across as downright rude, the important thing is not to take them to heart.
Contributions are always appreciated, but the rules can be vague, contradictory and confusing, which means we can disagree on what's wrong and what's right, which means "no" votes.

So if someone votes "no", look at their reason, if it's something you've missed, you can fix it and resubmit, and the other users will be grateful.
If you don't agree with the "no" vote, you can ignore it, or you can edit your notes to explain why you're ignoring it, or you can discuss it politely via PM.
If you're not sure if it's wrong or right, bring it here - there are many here who will be happy to help.
And remember, a "no" vote doesn't mean an automatic rejection - the screeners have final say and they don't always agree with the "no" voters.
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But still you can't say that SVT should be credited as SVT as we found out that they are to be called Sveriges Television, because that is their official name.

Still "SVT" is what they use on DVD covers, etc.
Maybe,, in some years, people won't know that SVT means Sveriges Television.

Wrong, if the credit says SVT then that is what you type. I don't care what you or anyone else THINKS it should be, Mika, WHAT IS THE CREDIT, what does the data ACTUALLY say.<smacks self in forehead>
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But still you can't say that SVT should be credited as SVT as we found out that they are to be called Sveriges Television, because that is their official name.

Still "SVT" is what they use on DVD covers, etc.
Maybe,, in some years, people won't know that SVT means Sveriges Television.


In that you are quite right, the rules specifically tell us: "Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names."

Unlike cast & crew, we are not looking for "as credited" for studio names. In fact until recently the rules told us to use the "correct name", although that has now gone from the rules.
What we see on screen or on the cover is only a starting point. Yes a lot of the time it's spelled out for us and everything's OK, but occassionally - like Davis Entertainment - we get an awkward one, and as you've found out it's a pain to find out what they're actually called!
Best I can say is, if in doubt, follow what's on screen. If you think the actual name is different (like the abbreviations) use the different name, but you'll need to document that - a link to an official website is usually more than enough.
I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that's what's wrong with the I, Robot contribution - you're changing the studio to Davis Entertainment but because it says David Entertainment Company on screen you need to say why you're putting different.
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Wrong, if the credit says SVT then that is what you type. I don't care what you or anyone else THINKS it should be, Mika, WHAT IS THE CREDIT, what does the data ACTUALLY say.<smacks self in forehead>


No, you're wrong Skip. The rules tell us "Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names." SVT is an abbreviation.
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Yes there WILL be lots of company variants until ken decides to create a Studio linking system. That's ther nature of the business, i don' care what you do locally but just follow the data and stop trying to create your own version of the database and then impose incorrect data ion everyone else. We must all have the same place to begin, and that place is the data. as to why this is hard to comprehend.



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North:

I really think you are reaching here, but I see where you are coming from.

In fact since you mentioned that is not the only problem in the Studios Rules. Once again Ken is making changes and now we run into unintended consequences. Oh well...
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But still you can't say that SVT should be credited as SVT as we found out that they are to be called Sveriges Television, because that is their official name.

Still "SVT" is what they use on DVD covers, etc.
Maybe,, in some years, people won't know that SVT means Sveriges Television.

Wrong, if the credit says SVT then that is what you type. I don't care what you or anyone else THINKS it should be, Mika, WHAT IS THE CREDIT, what does the data ACTUALLY say.<smacks self in forehead>

Jesus, you overreact. You take this like it's your calling in life and your job or whatever...

SVT is like north says an abbreviation and it has been proven TODAY, in this very topic.
But you're not from Sweden... Like me.

If I was to follow your ideas the db would be cluttered with variants of studio names, just because people write what they see and don't think.
Anycrap, I don't listen to you in this particular case.
SVT=Sveriges Television and there is only "Svensk Filmindustri".

@north: well, I am actually mostly talking about people not reading my notes properly or they just seem to misunderstand me. But my weak point is people complaining about my scans, which I put a lot of effort into. If I sat all evening with one scan, I wouldn't do it again, just because some people like to complain about things that aren't even nuisances.
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NBC is also technically an abbreviation but that doesn't mean I would call it one.  I think the abbreviations that were being referred to are the kind of forced abbreviations we used to have to use because we didn't have sufficient field length. Thus I would also SVT is also NOT an abbreviatuion if that is the way it is credited. And i don't have to be from Sweden. Depending on the time frame, we can see National Broadcasting Company, NBC, NBC Studuios, NBC Productions, etc, etc, etc.. 

You are beginning to sound like you believe that if take the time to Contribute that it should be approved just because. if your scans are bad, then don't take it personally, they are bad, if your data is not correct, it's not correct, nothing personal and you are not entitled.<shakes head>
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Well, NBC or BBC or CBS is not the same as SVT, because they still call themselves Sveriges Television and that is how they are listed on some authoritative business sites, but also how they call themselves on their site.
If SVT goes official, they will announce it, probably. But they haven't. They just like to "call themselves" something new, informally.
I can't see it any other way.
Their logo says SVT, but when it counts, it's the full name.
A logo isn't the name, it's just marketing.
Since you haven't been following the development of Sveriges Television, how can you be so sure and even more sure than me?

It's not about me taking my time, it's about the EFFORT and heart I put into my work. And my scans aren't bad! But people like to nitpick on what doesn't count and they sometimes don't even bother to compare to the original or whatever. It's like I gotta be frickin Superman to get my scans right.
Anyho', I'll see if my scans will be approved – one person was kind enough to say "nice scans".
Or maybe I should just scan and keep it all to myself?
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Thus I would also SVT is also NOT an abbreviatuion if that is the way it is credited.


SVT is not a company (as i posted earlier), and in my understanding we only add studios and companies, not brand names.

Also to have another go at SF Norge. If SF Norge is the name, then Norge isnt a locality suffix, since SF isnt a company. Rules say "Omit any locality-specific suffix. e.g. Enter Paramount Home Entertainment, not Paramount Home Entertainment (UK)". In my understanding the company name would have to be otherwise identical for it to be considered a locality-specific suffix in DVDP. In the case of Svensk Filmindustri and SF Norge that isnt the case.
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Also to have another go at SF Norge. If SF Norge is the name, then Norge isnt a locality suffix, since SF isnt a company. Rules say "Omit any locality-specific suffix. e.g. Enter Paramount Home Entertainment, not Paramount Home Entertainment (UK)". In my understanding the company name would have to be otherwise identical for it to be considered a locality-specific suffix in DVDP. In the case of Svensk Filmindustri and SF Norge that isnt the case.


That's an excellent way of putting it - thanks! 
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@north: well, I am actually mostly talking about people not reading my notes properly or they just seem to misunderstand me. But my weak point is people complaining about my scans, which I put a lot of effort into. If I sat all evening with one scan, I wouldn't do it again, just because some people like to complain about things that aren't even nuisances.

Contributing scans is one of the worst areas for "no" votes because it's purely subjective and all depends on how people have their PC monitors calibrated etc. I've even heard stories of people voting "no" simply because they want their own scans to remain in the online!
In my experience people tend to be unnecessarily harsh when voting "no" on cover scans, my best advice to you would be to be very specific in your notes about where the improvements are. For example, "text is sharper and makes overview easier to read" or "previous scans are tinged yellow, submitted colours are more accurate" or "submitting with less compression artifacts" or "previous scans too cropped, submitted with better cropping" etc.
Basically anything that helps the screeners make a valued opinion - remember the screeners don't have the cover in front of them, so rely on the notes to help them make a judgement, especially if others have voted "no".
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