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Quoting T!M:

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the current system (E = e, É = é) is far easier to understand for all users around the world: it's simple...

1x2=2
2x2=2
3x2=2
4x2=2
5x2=2
6x2=2
7x2=2
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is far easier to learn for all pupils around the world: it's simple...  but it's wrong...

Here's lies the point. We're not looking for "right", we're looking for a simple system that everyone can understand so that credits link together. T!M is 100% correct on this.

I have no idea as to whether E should change to e, è, é, ê, or ë. And you expect everyone to know this?

That's just not going to happen. Like crew roles, if you make it too complex, people will just stop contributing.

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So your statement that most database(s) use "real name" is incorrect!!

Most database use mostly "real names". Of course, you'll find databases that don't, and exceptions, including errors, among many thousands entries. You think my statement is incorrect, I think it is correct.

I'm sorry Surfeur but using the proper capitalisation just won't work. If we had one profile per film then maybe, as everyone would be able to benefit from those more knowledgable about these things. But at the minute, some profiles would contain E = é and others would contain E = e simply because the owners of those particular profiles don't know any different.
And I've said in another thread, using a name, any name - real or common - is a bad idea for a linking key. All names are subject to change, we need something that won't. Using E = é may improve linking in your database but I bet it will make it worse in others, we need a system that improve it for everyone.

How about: é = e = è = ê = ë etc? The program simply ignores accents, just like it currently does for case and parsing. Would that improve the situation any?

There's a difference between sharing knowledge and changing the basic system.

The system we got when we decided for DVDProfiler is the simple "as credited" on disc-level.
That's where c = c
What you want is to achieve that it's not "as credited" anymore, but the correct orthography (for a given value of "correct"). This would be fine for me, but surely end up in a mess.
The problem is that:
1: Not every contributor participates in the forum
2: While everybody can buy films from all over the world, not everybody is used to the orthography in different countries (Let's take Spain as an example, or the "special" letters in the Scandinavian region, would you know when to transcribe an ae to an æ and when not?). This results in
3: As long as we don't have the "Knows-All-Contributor" your system will seriously endanger the contribution process as such. Simply because almost every contribution for a film from a different locality will be incorrect and therefore declined.

The way it's now, the creation of a profile is quite easy:
Take the credits and copy them -> Profile is correct! (for another given value of "correct")
It's easy and can even be done by a complete newbie.
For getting it close to perfect (with correct linking), you'd need people with deeper knowledge (and this is totally independent from the used basis) who know that Ida Flammenbaum in fact is Sandra Bullock.

With your system creating a profile will be close to impossible:
For each and every name you'd have to ask yourself if the credited name is the "real name" or a variant and therefore have to do some major research, after finding this out you'd have to ask yourself if the name used might be "incorrectly" spelled, because the name might originate in a country with a different set of letters than the default Roman.
Since this, by definition, would exclude new users from the contribution process, your approach would in fact make things worse and not better.

The remaining profiles might, or might not be correct, it wouldn't matter anymore, because the users would have marched off to another software.

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You'll never get something good without work. Never.

But I'd opt for working with the system we have, it may be far from perfect, but I seriously doubt, that yours is any better. It wouldn't solve the major problem (linking), in fact it would even increase it.

No need for me to chime in.  I spent all my greens on T!M, jmbox and the goblin.  Sorry North, you will have to wait until tomorrow.  to you all.

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No need for me to chime in.

But that is exactly what you did.

True enough.  Thanks for pointing out the obvious. 

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You can't say "errors", as the "error" depends on the basis you're working from. If your basis is the "real" name, then yes, any variant on that real name is an error. But if the basis is the most-credited form, as it currently is for DVD Profiler purposes, then that "real" name of yours may very well be the one in error. It's all a matter of perspective. For DVD Profiler, the most-credited form is the "correct" form.

Again, though, let me stress that I'm not saying our system is perfect - it's not. But I haven't seen any indication that it's going to change anytime soon, and so I do my best to try to work with what we've got to the very best of my ability.

But there are three major things here:

1. There is not always a "common name" which is in absolute majority (e.g. 85% – >90%)

2. This "common name" may change - and the whole database must be upgraded

3. Many of us think that "what we have now to work with" isn't enough nor is it very effective

Personally I really don't care if some people are happy with the way it is and don't wish for a change, because there are too many/large problems to ignore the situation.

Another thing is that as long as we don't get a change, the database could be getting more problems - when for example people add the BY data and change credits names to "common names", which, like I said, may change.
Also, I have even seen an example of someone trying to change a credited name to a common name, when, in the original credits list, the name was like it was originally spelled.

(Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
Rebecca Romijn [Rebecca Romijn Stamos] as Herself ---> Rebecca Romijn-Stamos as Herself
Rebecca Romijn-Stamos is the current common name, name in bold is the name as credited in the movie)

This COULD have been approved, hadn't I and ONLY I, among 17 positive votes, voted "no".

So the "common name" issue creates somewhat of a hysteria, it seems.

Better to fix the system than to have erroneous contributions which don't even follow the rules or to add BY.