One would think after 18 years they could get it right.

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No  one would if they had an accuracy andvalue... theire accracy is noon0existent and as such calls into question their value for anything related to movies or TV. I used to agree with you, surfeur, until I actually started doing data from the ONLY real source for it and discovered just how big a train wreck they were and whhat that meant for anything IMDb. Their users are completely out of control and they have made very few attempts to change it. I would n't trust them for ANYTHING as a sole source for information, ANYTHING I find at IMDb I try and find at least one more INDEPENDENT source for the data.

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Sooo...here's one person that likes IMDB!    

I like it too  It's not a perfect database, but no database are (even the one here). I use it mostly when I want to know what movies someone I like had done in his/her career. When I'm in a bad mood I always go read the movies forum and I laught so much that my smile returns for the day 

As someone who has had my rookie contributions rejected for using IMDb data, and now having read many of the threads here, I can understand the value of Skips rules.  But, at the same time, there are many DVDs here that have IMDb data incorporated that were never caught because the contributor simply didn't say their info came from IMDb.  It's not just old data from the older DVDPro versions.

Just check out the new Get Smart movie (UPC 883929-039241 and 883929-047369).  On one, the Producers/ExecProducers are listed in the same alphabetical order as IMDb, not the way they're done on the film credits.  On both, Leonard Stern (ExecProducer from the TV series) is credited as "Cesna Pilot" on IMDb and here on DVDPro – Cessna is not spelled "Cesna", except on IMDb.

I too, love IMDb, but will no longer use it for any contributions here.  But there are obviously some who do and still slip through.

Perhaps there could be a "New Users Start Here" page or something to steer new users away from these most common mistakes.  I used DVDPro for months before registering, and now my personal database is filled with "corrections" I now wish I had never made.  The sheer amount of information on this website can be daunting, and has taken me weeks to find some of the things I needed to know.  Something like the one-page "How to set up your new TV/computer" inserts you get with new electronic goodies.

My Thanks to everyone here for their contributions to this awesome program.
I kept it all in a spreadsheet before...

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As someone who has had my rookie contributions rejected for using IMDb data, and now having read many of the threads here, I can understand the value of Skips rules.  ...

Note: they are NOT Skip's rules, they are Invelos' rules.

Skip and a number of others helped to write older versions of the rules, but the current rules can only be changed by Ken Cole. Ken and his wife Gerri are the only people that can speak with authority about what the rules mean and what we should do to follow them. Other users may give their opinions on the rules, but they can only give their personal opinions.

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And the reason for this particular rule is to help protect Ken and Gerri from liability (IMDB/Amazon being notoriously litigious).  So it's their rule in both the sense that they wrote it and they directly benefit from it.

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Just check out the new Get Smart movie (UPC 883929-039241 and 883929-047369).  On one, the Producers/ExecProducers are listed in the same alphabetical order as IMDb, not the way they're done on the film credits.  On both, Leonard Stern (ExecProducer from the TV series) is credited as "Cesna Pilot" on IMDb and here on DVDPro – Cessna is not spelled "Cesna", except on IMDb.

I too, love IMDb, but will no longer use it for any contributions here.  But there are obviously some who do and still slip through.

You've got to remember to that the rules do state, "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. " That being the case most users copy the credits from the movie itself and any missing credit roles get looked up using 3rd party databases, which is within the rules, just so there are no holes in the credits. I've personally done this in the past, but I've always try to catch any misspellings or capitalization errors before submitting, so it doesn't need changing later.

3.5 was released a few hours ago - Download here.

As for sources for uncredited actors, then the best (and really only place) is from the film itself. For example, if you see actor X in a film and he isn't credited then add him as uncredited and give the time that he appears.

Edit: As Addicted2DVD says, official sites for the actor are also accepted.

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I have added some Uncredited Cast by listening to Commentary Tracks and watching other extras on the disc. I have also found such info online in stuff like Official actor sites... interviews with actors. Stuff like that... basically coming from someone in the know. Other then that I personally wouldn't add Uncredited Cast.

Well said.