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This has gone on long enough! Four pages...going on 5 and it's the same thing all over again

Why are you wasting time here with a couple of stonewalling users who have no intention of changing their minds? Submit the OMB credit for TW and ALW and be done with it for cry'n out loud. Let the screener's do their job . If they decide the credit is unwarranted then so be it.

Just remember this the next time you are 'stonewalling' about a credit you don't like. 

I have no doubt that the "couple of stonewalling users" being referred to here are James and northbloke!!!!!     

And a red zinger for this one.

OK. 

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And a red zinger for this one.

OK. 

Eek. It wasn't from me. I took no offense!   

You were never a suspect!   

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And a red zinger for this one.

OK. 

It wasn't me. But someone definately has it in for you. Doesn't really matter though Hal. I'm sure Ken will reverse these unwarranted red arrows and they'll just bite the giver in the butt .

From what I've read individual red arrows on a posting are ignored. So even if someone does have a vendetta and is using all their red arrows on you, unless someone else helps it shouldn't make any difference.
But it's still irritating when you get one just because of who you are rather than what you posted.

Or maybe Andrew Lloyd Webber is a user here... 

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And,....to those of you with Sweeney Todd - I bet you have Sondheim listed in your music sections! Even though no new matierial was written for the film.
The reason being is that the rules do not take into account musicals and the fact that it would be completely dumb to omit the composer/lyricist of a musical simply because no new material had been written.

No, he is listed in the music section because the film gives him a credit that is valid in Profiler.  The credit reads, "Music and Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim."  "Music by" is in the credit chart.

Had the credit listed indivisual songs written by Stephen Sondheim, that were taken exactly from the musical, he would not have gotten a credit as they would not have been written for the film.

Also wrong.

The rules state:
Used for the composer of the film's Original Score
Original Songs, written specifically for the film

In BOTH cases Sondheim did NOT write ANY original music for the film so, according to our daft rules, he should not be included.

No ORIGINAL music = no DVDP entry!  

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The rules state:
Used for the composer of the film's Original Score
Original Songs, written specifically for the film

In BOTH cases Sondheim did NOT write ANY original music for the film so, according to our daft rules, he should not be included.

No ORIGINAL music = no DVDP entry!  

This is an excellent example of why I question the need for restricting music credits to material that is original to the film.  Sometime non-original music is essential to the film (think of American Graffiti) and if you can only show creators of "original" music you may miss a key element(s) to the program material.

I really don't think I'd want to see every song in American Grafitti credited with music and lyrics. 

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Also wrong.

The rules state:
Used for the composer of the film's Original Score
Original Songs, written specifically for the film

In BOTH cases Sondheim did NOT write ANY original music for the film so, according to our daft rules, he should not be included.

No ORIGINAL music = no DVDP entry!  

I have never seen the play, so I don't know if the film is exactly the same.  Based on the featurettes, I don't believe it is.  What I do know, however, is Sondheim was fully involved with the film.

I also know that he was given and OMB credit, for the play, and a composer credit, for the film.  Some people like to argue with what the credits actually say, I am not one of them.

Music by = Composer.

Ah, but there's the problem....

The rules state ORIGINAL music/songs. By simply looking at the credits it is not always possible to determine if the music was written specifically for the film. Which is why further research is encouraged; and also why frequent contributions come through stating sources to support the inclusion of songwriters for original songs.

Sweeney Todd (and other musicals) is no different. Because there is an element of music and songs we are expected to determine if the music/songs were written SPECIFICALLY for the film.
I have also watched the featurettes and agree that Sondheim was actively involved in the making of the film - but NOT in the capacity of writing new material.

For Sweeney Todd there was NO new score or song written . As stated in a previous post I have 4 different recordings of ST and there is catergorically NO NEW MUSIC in the film.

Subsequently Sondheim should NOT be credited in the music section as he did NOT write any original music or songs for the film.

Now....obviously it would be totally STUPID to not include him in the profile; and the same could be said for countless other musical films that have been adapted from the stage.

And for the sake of argument - how to YOU determine if the music or songs were composed specifically for the film?
If further research was not required we would have songwriter lists going on forever and countless incorrect entries for composer too no doubt.
A modicum of common sense and further research is required to correctly catalogue the music section in Profiler.

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I really don't think I'd want to see every song in American Grafitti credited with music and lyrics. 

I chose a poor example with American Graffiti because of the quantity of songs in the soundtrack.

Consider the film Gloomy Sunday (1999) which has as a key element the song that reportedly induced people to commit suicide.  That song is prominent in the movie but certainly wasn't written for the film.  So, according to the Rules, the songwriters can't be credited.