I just read the rules again and I don't think there is room for interpretation.

Your disc isn't in the database so it has to be entered first. It has no UPC so it gets entered by disc ID. The TV series rules say to use standard rules except for Covers. I don't see the room for interpretation.

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That's a major flaw in your argumentation: how would anyone know?!

By inserting the disc and search for the DiscID, simple.

No, it isn't that simple. I fully understand what you're referring to. But that's a totally different approach than the one I'm referring to. I'll try a more elaborate explaination. Your approach means to download an existing profile from the Online Db. My approach refuses to download anything from the Online Db, and to build profiles from scratch/zero/nothing. Bottom line of this difference: both ways are perfectly valid, and in accordance with the Contribution Rules, but lead on Disc-ID-based profiles to totally different results!

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Yes, it seems a bit counter-intuitive to me too, but: As soon as a Disc-ID is used as the primary key, it ceases to be a DiscID and becomes simply a unique identifier like the UPC/EAN.

That's still only if someone decides to actually use the available profiles from the Online Db. But that is not required, any correctly locally built DVDP profiles are as valid for contribution, as any already contributed DVDP profiles. The former can be contributed, without downloading any already available profiles first. Yes, it is much work to build new profiles from scratch first, and I've read that many users prefer "cloning", but I don't. And this is a perfectly valid choice – the contribution rules don't tell me, I have to download an existing profile first, and audit/alter if afterwards. I can begin at zero, with empty child and/or parent profiles and contribute them, as I audit them. If such a profile appears as already contributed (comparison screen), that's fine as long as I contribute changes, that I've checked and can provide my verification method. If they aren't yet in the system, I can contribute them (strictly following the rules) and provide my verification methods.

And that's exactly the point, we are (or at least we should be) discussing.

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Just as a movie under UPC_1234567890 can have several different DiscIDs for one disc in its "Discs"-Section and can be found with all those DiscID via the "Add by DiscID"-dialog, a profile under DiscID_I1234567890ABCDEF can have multiple DiscIDs and will be accessible under all of them.

Again: not the same thing, as I can build profile UPC_1234567890 offline, and contribute it – the online comparison screen will point out all the differences between the online profile and my local profile, and it's up to me to check, if I messed up, if the online profile is improperly audited, or if a massive change to the release happened (aka re-release with same EAN, like German "Bad Boys" with a completely re-authored disc and totally different features).

When I build child profiles offline, the online comparison screen will only point out differences, if the actual disc is already contributed. If my child profile isn't contributed under its correct Disc ID, I'll get the "initial" contribution screen and contribute it, following Invelos' Contribution Rules.


So my reason for always voting No in such cases is basically a counter-question to Addicted2DVD's question: do the Contribution Rules tell us anywhere, to download available profiles first, before adapting them as our own profiles.

@Mithi: just to make sure, I do understand your reasoning, and I understand Pete's reasoning. But in my opinion it would need some larger overhaul of the Contribution Rules, if we wouldn't be allowed to build and contribute our own disc-level profiles anymore – that's not how DVDP works currently. Technically the "alternate disc owners" couldn't even alter such profiles anymore, as a removal of the scene access, a trailer or a change of the regional coding, would change the checksum (aka Disc ID), and you couldn't tell if your disc differs, or someone didn't check this points properly. But, that's just my two cents.

No... it is not a burnt DVD... it is from a store bought set. Just like any other DVD the DVDs in TV Series and Box sets do have alternate Disc ID. No different then any other (single film or what have you) release.

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But as I said... the title is already added to the database. There is already True Blood: The complete First Season: Disc 1 in the database.

Again, you gotta be joking, this is the most retarded thread ever in the Invelos history after Skip's 20000 useless posts.

In your opinion it's OK for me to contribute Finnish "True Blood: The complete First Season: Disc 1" Disc ID as a alternative Disc ID for US profile?????     

If you don't agree, please tell me why not, and point that section from the rules.

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As I asked before... please tell me where this is based in the rules.

I showed in the first post where mine is based in the rules. Please be kind enough to do the same.

I already did this, but will do so again...

"When contributing a title by UPC, make sure the UPC is entered in this format. Do not contribute titles with "made up" or otherwise inaccurate UPCs. If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID, using your DVD-ROM drive."

This title does not have a UPC therefore, according to the above rule, you add it by Disc ID.  This is from the second page of the rules so, in my opinion, should be considered prior to any other part of the rules.

^THIS

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In your opinion it's OK for me to contribute Finnish "True Blood: The complete First Season: Disc 1" Disc ID as a alternative Disc ID for US profile?????

This is a rather absurd extrapolation.  Nothing of the sort has been implied or even hinted at.  The discussion is about two different Disc IDs within the same locality.

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In your opinion it's OK for me to contribute Finnish "True Blood: The complete First Season: Disc 1" Disc ID as a alternative Disc ID for US profile?????

This is a rather absurd extrapolation.  Nothing of the sort has been implied or even hinted at.  The discussion is about two different Disc IDs within the same locality.

a) it isn't against the rules so we can do it?
b) what's the differense, you add information to incorrect profile

Is there any wonder why I decided to just drop myself from this conversation...

I said I will hold off doing such things and wait for Ken to get back to me. And that is what I am doing.


I need to stop even coming to this thread as every time I open it I get more aggravated.