BTW... there is an easy way to move the info to parent profile. Not quite as easy as you are saying.. but easy all the same. As I do it all the time.

Copy the cast and paste and append to the parent. You have to do it with each disc individually. But it really takes no time at all.  As I said... I do it all the time.

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I see no rules creating a positive obligation to contribute anything. How would this even be enforced? Are we supposed to turn down a good update to a child because it wasn't also made to the parent?

I don't think you can really.  I think all we can do is point it out when you see it and if they do not do it, then synch htem up ourselves.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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BTW... there is an easy way to move the info to parent profile. Not quite as easy as you are saying.. but easy all the same. As I do it all the time.

Copy the cast and paste and append to the parent. You have to do it with each disc individually. But it really takes no time at all.  As I said... I do it all the time.

OK. That doesn't sound so bad. I thought I had tried that, though, but I'll take your word for it. My windows machine isn't working at the moment, and I doubt I'll get it up and running again before Christmas. So I won't be able to test it for a few weeks.

Excuse me for being redundant here and repeating what has already been done here.

What this really boils down to several opinions with 3D releases where the primary focus of the marketing is the 3D release

I think in this case we would all agree that the title should reflect the 3D release since the main cover art says "Tangled 3D" and not "Tangled" for example and for the most part a 3D/BD/DVD combo has a different UPC than a BD/DVD combo.

Where the main questions arise are how to handle the parent and children. 

For the sake of argument I will use as an example of the "Tangled 3D" in the options outlined.

These options deal with how to handle data issues pertaining to releases that have multiple discs of HD that are the same movie which came about with the advent of 3D BD/BD combo packs.  The questions arise because of the inherent differences between the disc contents of 3D discs versus 2D discs and the current rule set was made more to handle conditions where you have a release with two BD discs and one is an extended edition which usually have the same audio/subtitle tracks, but may differ in features.

Option 1: Parent profile contains all information about the HD content

Parent profile - Contains basically the union of the data of the 3D-BD and the 2D BD information.- Titled Tangled 3D

Optional child profile (by Disc ID) for the 3D-BD containing only the data for the 3D Disc - Titled Tangled 3D

Optional child profile (By Disc ID) for the 2D BD containing only the data for the 2D Disc - Titled Tangled

Optional child profile (By Disc ID) for the DVD containing only the data for the DVD Disc - Titled Tangled

Pros

All the information on the HD release is in the main profile for those that do not like or download child profiles

Follows more closely to current rules based on releases that contain the same movie

Cons

There is no way to enforce that an update to the child 2D-BD gets forwarded to the parent and would take diligence of the community to synch them up if such an update occurred since you cannot really deny an update to the child because the parent contribution was not there.

Option 2: Parent profile contains the information of the 3D release only.

Parent profile - contains the information of the 3D release only.

Optional child profile (By Disc ID) for the 2D BD containing only the data for the 2D Disc - Titled Tangled

Optional child profile (By Disc ID) for the DVD containing only the data for the DVD Disc - Titled Tangled

Pros

Most Data synchronization issues resolved

Cons

For those that do not like child profiles the main profile would not contain all the information

This would be an exception to current rules based on releases that contain the same movie

Option 3: Treat 3D combo releases as box sets even though they are the same move

Parent profile - Contains bare bones data as per the current box set rules

Child profile (by Disc ID) for the 3D-BD containing only the data for the 3D Disc - Titled Tangled 3D

Child profile (By Disc ID) for the 2D BD containing only the data for the 2D Disc - Titled Tangled

Child profile (By Disc ID) for the DVD containing only the data for the DVD Disc - Titled Tangled

Pros

Most data synchronization issues resolved

Cons

This is a complete rule exception to how releases containing the same movie are handled.  This exception for 3D releases only could cause widespread confusion later on.  I think we would all agree this could cause issues later on.

 
As a note as far as data synchronization goes with option one, but the reality it affects all. 
We need to remember we already have those potentially. Since the child profiles are supposed to be by Disc ID for cases where it is of the same movie, someone can update the BD/DVD combo UPC and not the BD disc ID based child profile in the 3D release since the data is only cloned at a point in time.  So these data synchronization issues already exist.

I personally do not agree with all of these options.  But these were all the options people proposed that I saw.

My sole purpose was to lay them out concisely in one post in the hopes that maybe someone in the community closer to Ken can get him to look at this post and make a ruling.

If he does make a ruling (and I hope he does) I for one will commit to investing the time to correct any 3D releases that I currently own to reflect that ruling in order to help out the community and hopefully put an end to this issue.

One more statement as far as the titles go. And I hope not to create more controversy. It seems to me "3D" should be an edition type.  But since "3D" is not as yet an edition type that can be used by the community as a while I personally think we should keep them in the title and correct them since it is a valid edition selection so there is not really much we can do about that now.  A separate ruling may need to be done on that one.

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Copy the cast and paste and append to the parent. You have to do it with each disc individually. But it really takes no time at all.  As I said... I do it all the time.

OK, I found a laptop I could install DVDProfiler on, just to test this.

How do you append? If I copy and paste several times to the same profile, I only overwrite the content with the last paste. I never see an option to append the content.

Ah. Got it. I was trying to paste from the main screen. DVD -> Paste.

Thanks.

Even if users perfer, it the 3D disc shouldn't be added as a child if it is the primary disc of a combo pack, unless there is a rule change.  We don't make a 2D blu-ray disc a child if it is the primary of a standard Blu-ray + DVD combo.  Since any other discs are considered a Bonus to the primary disc being packaged.

If the 3D disc is the primary all it's data should be in the parent profile.  The only thing that is added to the parent is features found on other discs and the child IDs of the other discs to allow those users who want to download them.  Audio tracks, subtitles, video format and so on in the parent proflie should only be what is on the primary disc in this case the 3D version of the same movie.

In my opinion, the title of the film is still "Conan the Barbarian". 3D is just the version of the film and should be placed in the Edition Field. Your mileage may vary .