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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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How might the rules be simply updated or amended so that it can be done?


I don't think it would take much

If the "Bonus Film" is included on a separate disc then...


If the "Bonus Film" is included on the same disc as the feature film then...

nothing more simple

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
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Since the basic problem is "...both features are on the same side of a single disc so that can't be done."

How might the rules be simply updated or amended so that it can be done?

IMO the rules should not be amended so that the cast/crew of a bonus feature film can be added below the cast/crew of the main feature. This data simply does not belong there.
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Since the basic problem is "...both features are on the same side of a single disc so that can't be done."

How might the rules be simply updated or amended so that it can be done?

IMO the rules should not be amended so that the cast/crew of a bonus feature film can be added below the cast/crew of the main feature. This data simply does not belong there.


As things are currently set up, I completely agree. However, if we could have a new bonus feature divider that would then show those people under that title in the CLT rather than the main feature, I'd be in favour of it.
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Since the basic problem is "...both features are on the same side of a single disc so that can't be done."

How might the rules be simply updated or amended so that it can be done?

IMO the rules should not be amended so that the cast/crew of a bonus feature film can be added below the cast/crew of the main feature. This data simply does not belong there.

As things are currently set up, I completely agree. However, if we could have a new bonus feature divider that would then show those people under that title in the CLT rather than the main feature, I'd be in favour of it.

I'd say, if we could describe bonus material better, I'd welcome it. But I'm not talking only about cast/crew of bonus material. I'm talking also about titles, audio, subtitles, run times, and video formats.

Shoehorning cast/crew of bonus materials into the main feature fields but leaving out the rest of the bonus materials info doesn't make sense IMO.
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Rho - I think that the basic disagreement I have with your stance is the use of the term "bonus material". I am not just addressing this particular DVD but this one and any others that are similar.

I don't see "Bonus Materials" and "Short Films" as the same thing. Bonus materials are extras related to a film, not a film itself. The length of film is irrelevant. For example, one of the DVDs in my collection is Peep Show and its running time is 9 minutes.

I do agree that if the rules are updated to include these bonus films then they should be treated as any other film in the database.
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I'd say, if we could describe bonus material better, I'd welcome it. But I'm not talking only about cast/crew of bonus material. I'm talking also about titles, audio, subtitles, run times, and video formats.



This could be fun. I'm thinking of my Bride of Chucky R2 dvd, where the movie is letterbox but some of the extras are anamorphic. Great job on that disc!
I'd love to see a little check-box next to every feature that had at least anamorphic or not for the video. Runtimes would be great as well. Since my BD player hooked with HDMI doesn't offer zoom 1 (to make non anamorphic fill the screen like anamorphic), this would be good to know what player to use when watching extras.
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I don't see "Bonus Materials" and "Short Films" as the same thing. Bonus materials are extras related to a film, not a film itself. The length of film is irrelevant. For example, one of the DVDs in my collection is Peep Show and its running time is 9 minutes.

Until such time as we can independently profile such "films" I'm not in favor of shoehorning their cast and crew data into the main movie profile.

I have a host of WB DVDs that have a feature called "Warner Night at the Movies" that typically feature a short film, a newsreel, a cartoon, etc. that usually have nothing to do with the main film other than being produced at around the same time.  I don't think tacking their cast/crew data onto the main profile using the divider feature is a good way to track these.  IMO, if it's a "film" worth profiling, it should have it's own profile.

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Rho - I think that the basic disagreement I have with your stance is the use of the term "bonus material". I am not just addressing this particular DVD but this one and any others that are similar.

Me too, I'm not talking about this particular DVD only.
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I don't see "Bonus Materials" and "Short Films" as the same thing. Bonus materials are extras related to a film, not a film itself. The length of film is irrelevant. For example, one of the DVDs in my collection is Peep Show and its running time is 9 minutes.

If you insist on making a difference between bonus materials and bonus films (short or feature length), I have no problem with that. But I'd like to insist on making a difference between a double feature and a film with a bonus film thrown in. The difference is mainly how the combo is marketed. For example are both titles shown adequately on the front cover?

If we deal with a double feature (on a single disc), not only should both cast/crew lists be profiled, but also should both titles be listed in the title field and the run time should be the sum of both run times.
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I do agree that if the rules are updated to include these bonus films then they should be treated as any other film in the database.

I clearly wouldn't want a bonus film be treated like a double feature.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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If/when we are able to make contributable profiles that are not dependent on a UPC/disc ID, I'm all for profiling these things.  Under the current program limitations, however, I'm not a big fan of attempting to stuff 10 pounds of junk into a 5 pound sack.  That's just my opinion and I eagerly look forward to the day when we can make such profiles.  It is, in fact, my number one feature request.  As it stands, I'm not a big fan of legitimate two movies on the same side of a disc solution we currently have but there certainly isn't much of an alternative.
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