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your application of rules should be "M e a n g i r l s"

Is 'M' a word?
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While I agree that "Mean Girls" is the title, I have to agree with the others that say that Surfeur has a point: a strict reading of the rules does indicate a title of "Meangirls" - the colouring is a consistent gradient across both words and there are no symbols separating them.
Whether you like it or not, Surfeur is pointing out valid inconsistencies and contradictions in our approach to these matters, and weaknesses in the rules system as a whole. Yes his approach can be abrasive at times, and could be considered "trollish" behaviour, but in this case he has a point: What separates the words here is not colour or symbols, but formatting - and that's not mentioned in the rules, nor is taking the title from anywhere but the front cover (possessives excepted).

Maybe we should spend less energy on hating on Surfeur's posts and more energy on fixing the loopholes and problems that he highlights.
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I hate no one. Though it is hard not to when he tried to smear my name in that earlier post.

I believe he has a point when it comes to a single color across both words... but I truly believe that is not the case in this one particular situation.
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I hate no one.

I apologise, that's not what I meant. I've edited my post to try and make it clearer.
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This was the only point I was trying to make.  I think we all know what the title should be here.  But it has happened before in the past when we were not quite so lucky to have uniformity of opinion and we have ended up with some pretty silly titles in the online.  Yves was simply bringing this up and all of a sudden he's a troll. 
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I can only talk for myself... but I don't think of him as a troll or anything else. I just disagree and never claimed anything else. As I said... I do think he has a point... I just don't agree that the point is a valid one in this particular case. No more and no less.

My temper didn't rise a bit until he tried to make me look bad.
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The rules could use another update on this matter. In this case the different font or a bold font are what makes it two words. The color is different in my eyes since the dark disappears in the second word but not fully. It just annoys the hell out of me if someone, doesn't matter who, keeps arguing just for the sake of arguing. Some people are just looking for things to argue about. Sorry that is just annoying!
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I can only talk for myself... but I don't think of him as a troll or anything else. I just disagree and never claimed anything else. As I said... I do think he has a point... I just don't agree that the point is a valid one in this particular case. No more and no less.

My temper didn't rise a bit until he tried to make me look bad.

As you have every right to.  I won't try to make excuses for the personal stuff as there is really no place for it here.
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On each word the coloring is different... that is what the rules say... that is what the case shows. the is an even mixture of 2 colors on one word. and one color (or an extremely different) coloring on the second word. So per Rules it is Mean Girls.


On each letter, the coloring is different. So, your application of rules should be "M e a n g i r l s". You have no place for Mean Girls (why split between N and G ? , why not Mea Ngirls ?).

The rule says, "splitting the title words," not "splitting the title letters." I am sorry but, because of that, your argument makes no sense at all.  I don't know whether or not I agree with Pete on this but his argument does make sense.

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And about consistency, don't we have a "symbol" between Show and Girls, and why does the database contain 22 "Showgirls" for only 6 "Show Girls" ?

In the case of Showgirls, the symbol doesn't split the title words, it splits the title word.  While 'show' and 'girls' can be two words, in the context of the film, 'showgirls' is a single word so the rule does not apply.  The same can't be said for 'meangirls' as there is no such word.
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the colouring is a consistent gradient across both words

But it's not.  The gradient is applied at an angle which has the effect of making the left side darker than the right side.  So on average, the word "Mean" is darker than the word "Girls", and thus the coloring of the two words are clearly different.

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the colouring is a consistent gradient across both words

But it's not.  The gradient is applied at an angle which has the effect of making the left side darker than the right side.  So on average, the word "Mean" is darker than the word "Girls", and thus the coloring of the two words are clearly different.

Yes, the gradient is consistent across both words. It is indeed only one gradient. Yes, it is applied in an angle across both words but it is still a single gradient. There is no break in colours between the words.

But of course the formatting still tells us that we are dealing with two words. And two words have to be entered with a space into the database.
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Yes, the gradient is consistent across both words. It is indeed only one gradient. Yes, it is applied in an angle across both words but it is still a single gradient. There is no break in colours between the words.

While this is true, by definition, a gradient is a fade from one color to another.  The color on the left is not the same as the color on the right.  Is that enough for the rule to kick in?  I don't know, but it does open the door.
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Yes, the gradient is consistent across both words. It is indeed only one gradient. Yes, it is applied in an angle across both words but it is still a single gradient. There is no break in colours between the words.

While this is true, by definition, a gradient is a fade from one color to another.  The color on the left is not the same as the color on the right.  Is that enough for the rule to kick in?  I don't know, but it does open the door.

No, it does not open the door. While there are two colours involved in a gradient, it has by definition no border between those colours. Therefore we can't determine the word break by colour. But we can determine the word break without doubt because both words are formatted differently. Of course we do consider how a title is formatted. Here it is presented to consist of two words. Simple as that.
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No, it does not open the door. While there are two colours involved in a gradient, it has by definition no border between those colours. Therefore we can't determine the word break by colour.

The rule does not require a border between the colors, just that the words be split by coloring.  In this case, I can see that argument being made as the two words are not the exact same color.
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No, it does not open the door. While there are two colours involved in a gradient, it has by definition no border between those colours. Therefore we can't determine the word break by colour.

The rule does not require a border between the colors, just that the words be split by coloring.  In this case, I can see that argument being made as the two words are not the exact same color.

No, the key is that you see two words in the title. That's enough. You don't have to look at the colour of the words after you have separated them. And the colour does not help separating the words in this case.

Of course those two words have to be separated with a space in the database.
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