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AB Svensk Filmindustri or Svensk Filmindustri?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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Well, I don't really have a problem with the current rule. But if SF is acceptable in Norway, it should be acceptable in Sweden too. Or we need an exception for abbreviations that has become a proper company name on its own in some localities. I have no problem making this exception in my mind until we get such a ruling... 
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But if SF is acceptable in Norway, it should be acceptable in Sweden too.

I don't think we can look at it that simply. We are still talking about two separate companies. From the evidence presented in this thread it looks like Svensk Filmindustri have always considered their "proper" name to be Svensk Filmindustri, even if sometimes it's abbreviated into SF, however SF Norge have never called themselves Svensk Filmindustri Norge, so in that case it can't be classed as an abbreviation.
Does that make sense?
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In my limited reading it looks to me like both SF and SF Norge were set up by the Bonnier Group (do I have that right?). That leads me to think "Norge" is a locality-specific suffix.
But I'm more than happy to concede to someone who probably knows a lot more about that part of the world than I ever will! 


There is a difference between SF Norge and Universal Pictures (UK). SF Norge uses that name in movie credits. I haven't seen that for Universal UK or WHV UK.

SF Norge also produces movies by themselves, they aren't just distributors like I think WHV UK is.

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But if SF is acceptable in Norway, it should be acceptable in Sweden too.

I don't think we can look at it that simply. We are still talking about two separate companies. From the evidence presented in this thread it looks like Svensk Filmindustri have always considered their "proper" name to be Svensk Filmindustri, even if sometimes it's abbreviated into SF, however SF Norge have never called themselves Svensk Filmindustri Norge, so in that case it can't be classed as an abbreviation.
Does that make sense?


Makes sense to me. In Norway, SF is a name, in Sweden it's an abbreviation. But it may create a problem with the rules. Some people diligently want to strip away all things that look like a locality suffix. And maybe they are right to do so. Otherwise, what prevents Universal Pictures (UK) from also being entered in the database? I was just told that it was created as a legal entity under that name.
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Makes sense to me. In Norway, SF is a name, in Sweden it's an abbreviation. But it may create a problem with the rules. Some people diligently want to strip away all things that look like a locality suffix. And maybe they are right to do so. Otherwise, what prevents Universal Pictures (UK) from also being entered in the database? I was just told that it was created as a legal entity under that name.

That's why I never agreed with that rule change, but what can you do? 

And Reybr, thanks for that info - told you you knew a lot more than me! 
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This is beginning to illustrate a weakness, I think. BTW reybr WHV is a distributor no matter where based UK, US, or wherever, they do not produce anything..

But to the weakness i am beginning to gain an understanding of, let's see if I can explain it, it is changing my thinking in this area. While I have knowledge of much internationally, company data is not one area I have much familiarity with. So, I am left with the On Screen data, whatever, or I have to trust in my fellow users, now I don't mean to demean anybody individually or singly, but we do know that there is a multitude of errors in the database, for whatever reason they are there. So with limited knowledge opf business naming on an international playing field, data or trusting other users, I would have to say data, data is something that I can see and I can input GmBh, or whatever it happens to be.
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This is beginning to illustrate a weakness, I think. BTW reybr WHV is a distributor no matter where based UK, US, or wherever, they do not produce anything..



Of course it is, silly me. It's kinda in the name, isn't it? 

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Well, like with everything else you submit in the DB, it's about knowledge and research, right?

I mean, so far I think we have come to the conclusion that the companies in this topics are SF Norge, Svensk Filmindustri, Sveriges Television and Universal Pictures.

If a company is official all throughout about their name, then that is their name, but otherwise, it's a variant or abbreviation or a suffix.
I haven't seen any evidence about the above mentioned companies that they are official about their abbreviations or suffixes, that have been talked about here.
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Mika:

That is all dependent on users to do that research and provide the documentation to support. This happens to be an area that we are well documented that we as a Community are in very short supply. Some users will claim to have done documentation but will not provide the documentation, The only thing that is sure is the data, but I understand your point. <scratching head> I think I like the data.
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Well I only like data if it's valid.
If I feel that it's not valid, then I don't like it.

So far I think I have been right. About the companies above, I mean.
And IMO I am right about Davis Entertainment...

Knowledge rules over what some text says. Like if you just see a logo and write what says right on it or if you just read some text before or after a movie, which can omit or add things.

Like you don't see "A Universal Pictures Picture", etc.

A company always has a determined name – and THAT is what I want for everyone to submit, for each title.
Not just see a logo and write the name or see the text in the credits or on the cover, without knowing a bit.
And this is why people have for "Svensk Filmindustri", contributed "SF", "SF Film", "AB Svensk Filmindustri", etc.

Why not add "ESSEFF" to the DB as well? Or Sv. F.?

Heck, some people don't even write the full studio names. It's like they got a heart attack when they were typing; "Artisan Home Enter", or whatever.
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Mika:

You lack the information to deterrmine the validity of the data. You are not correct about davis Entertainment relative to the data, you are free to reach whatever conclusions you wish relative to your local, you are not free to do so relative to the online. The Online must reflect simply what the data IS, it is provided by the filmmakers and you have no expertise of background to differ with them. It is well known in all cases that filmmakers from time entertain themselves and their audience through the credits, in a variety of ways. The credits are the source for data for Profiler, not Skip, not Mika, not IMDb, just the fil credits period. Part of the strength of Profiler is that we have an Online database which serves ALL users and is only a starting point for all users to construct their own database, and we have a local database where each one of us has the ability to set our own rules and build  a database that best serves our needs. The Online is only a reference source relative to the credited data

I love this comment, Mika. "Heck, some people don't even write the full studio names. It's like they got a heart attack when they were typing; "Artisan Home Enter", or whatever." It shows how little you understand here rather graphically and i don't mean that to offend you. You presume that. some people don't even write the full studio names, while failing to understand or even recognize that this program is now over 10 years old and we have not always had the field length that we have today and you are probably simply viewing an artifact from back when we had to abbreviate.
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It's still mean of you to diminish me, Skip.
I don't "lack" any knowledge. I am aware of that the system has looked differently, but still I find contribution errors.

Also it's like I'm trying to learn while some of you are like old dogs who can't learn how to sit.

The only argument to keep "Company" for Davis Entertainment is that it's mentioned in part of the credits.

Still, on other profiles, people agree that that part should go.

I did some research for D.E.
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I did some research for D.E.

But so far you've only shared the logo. What else have you found?
I've been doing some searching as well and found documentation that supports both names, but nothing definitive - like an official site or something like that.
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Still follow the credits, do what you wish locally, Mika. Do not substitute yourself for the credits.

I am not demeaning you in the slightest. Just follow the credits and the rules and the Online will be fine, what you want to do in your local,is totally your business

North speaks correctly is one reason why you do not substitute yourself for the credits. There is not a single company in Hollywood that has used the same name for the last 90 plus years, not a one., even though on the street we may refer to them in a particular fashion. Universal has had numerous names as have all companies and we follow what the credit says for each and every movie and each movie is unique unto itself. We do not follow what some user, not Skip, not North, not Mika not anyone, thinks the credits is or should be or that this is a typo (because I KNOW) or whatever. If you are differing from the actual data, Mika, then you are WRONG, ever time, plain and simple. You are claiming one thing relative to Davis Entertainment and someone else is saying something entirely different, relative to them on the same movie. Now I ahpeen to know that the reference North makes relative to the logo, is absolutely correct...so.<shrugs> As I see it Mika, you simply want to depart from what the data actually is on this movie, which you cannot do, except in YOUR local.
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Quoting MikaLove:
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Heck, some people don't even write the full studio names. It's like they got a heart attack when they were typing; "Artisan Home Enter", or whatever.


Not likely an input error, but caused by a limitation in the program itself.

It's good that you clean them up when you spot them, but maybe you should tone down the critisisms against the users somewhat before you know the full picture.

Also, before there was written rules and specific rules about removiing company suffixes, AB Svensk Filmindustri would have been perfectly acceptable. It's only under the current rules they are wrong.
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