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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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Mreeder:

I am afraid i don't see anything that indicates that Location Crew can be included. We have never allowed them to date. I suspect that you bassing your statement on the Location Unit but no mention at all of Location Crew and then supposing that Crew is Ok, which would be wrong. By that standard we should include any credit that is not specifically mention as unaccepatble, which would include Accountants, Grips, Caterers and so forth. Neither location crew or units are currently allowed under the Rules


So does that mean that the US Crew should be removed from The Peacemaker profile?

If so, then that's going to be a very lean & short Art Crew,
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In checking the rules, I see that UNIT Crew are specifically not allowed: "Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"

But, I do not see where LOCATION Crew is banned. Can someone please point out exactly where in the rules this is spelled out.

All Crew members must be part of some Location Crew. Why should we omit Crew just because the specific locality is spelled out in the credits?

In my opinion, we don't. We only omit UNIT Crew. This is how I have contributed, and have had accepted, 4819 profiles.
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that's going to be a very lean & short Art Crew,


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Mreeder:

I am afraid i don't see anything that indicates that Location Crew can be included. We have never allowed them to date. I suspect that you bassing your statement on the Location Unit but no mention at all of Location Crew and then supposing that Crew is Ok, which would be wrong. By that standard we should include any credit that is not specifically mention as unaccepatble, which would include Accountants, Grips, Caterers and so forth. Neither location crew or units are currently allowed under the Rules


So does that mean that the US Crew should be removed from The Peacemaker profile?

If so, then that's going to be a very lean & short Art Crew,

I would say definitively yes, Cubby. If the inclusion of the data was based on what I described then we have lots of data like Accountants and such which should then be included, you can't beliebve that because a piece of data is not speifically allowed or disallowed means it is allowed.
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In checking the rules, I see that UNIT Crew are specifically not allowed: "Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"

But, I do not see where LOCATION Crew is banned. Can someone please point out exactly where in the rules this is spelled out.

All Crew members must be part of some Location Crew. Why should we omit Crew just because the specific locality is spelled out in the credits?

In my opinion, we don't. We only omit UNIT Crew. This is how I have contributed, and have had accepted, 4819 profiles.

Sorry to be harsh Kathy but that simply is s dumb argument. Of you really believe it then you better starty including Best Boys, Accountants,, caterers, Key Grips and whatever, they are not speciofically disallowed or allowed, just like your dumb Location argument. Locations Is NOT allowed and never has been to date, maybe eventually but not yet.
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Skip - this will be the last post in which I will respond to your comments addressed to me.

I not only dislike the way you treat others, I do not trust you or your judgement. Your opinions carry no weight with me.

If you, or any one else, wonders why, please read through the history of posts written by both Winston Smith aka Skip and myself.
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Mreeder:

I am afraid i don't see anything that indicates that Location Crew can be included.

Do you see anything that indicates that they can't?
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We have never allowed them to date.

I don't know who this 'we' is you are talking about, but Invelos has been allowing them for quite some time now.
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Kathy:

I did not attck YOU. I called your argument as I see it...Stupid. That does not mean you are stupid just your argument and it is both irrational and illogical to presume that if something is not specifically, emphasis on specifically, disallowed in the Rules then it is OK tyo include. I expect that you had better start including all such dataincluding the Accountants, Grips, best Boys, Lighting Techmnicians and so on and rest assured that if you do I will vote No to every Contribution made including such bull based upon your iillogical logic.Learn how to discuss and deabte and stop ttrying to control speech and thought, which you have been doing for a very long time. Do that and just maybe I will be go back to skipnet5-, instead of 1984's main character which did have to deal with speech and thought control in his reality.
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So does that mean that the US Crew should be removed from The Peacemaker profile?

Regardless of what Mr. Smith thinks we allow, invelos has been allowing location crew, under a divider, for quite some time now so, no, the US Crew should not be removed.  What should happen is that the other location crew should be added.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Mreeder:

I am afraid i don't see anything that indicates that Location Crew can be included.

Do you see anything that indicates that they can't?
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We have never allowed them to date.

I don't know who this 'we' is you are talking about, but Invelos has been allowing them for quite some time now.

Martian:


TThen I guess we can expect you to start including Music editors, or whatever else, after all they are not specificall allowed either. Your infallible logic is very fallible and completely illogical. And if you start fdollowing that in your Contributions I will be more than happy to give you a resounding No vote to every such Contribution using that as a basiss. You have no basis upon which to base your arguments most of the time, youy were NOT part of the original. You are not the authority, I am not saying or implying that I am, but you are only guessing and it's not even a good educated guess, it is merely your opinion based upon your own smoke and mirrors.


Anmswers such as the ones I have seen is why it has taken me many years to even be willing to consider helping the Community with a Rules Team again.  Pure unmitigated bull and people with such thin skins that cannot even put tohgether a cogent argument and instead say tripe like wewll it's not specifically excluded...give me a breaklk

I amtrying very hard not  to beinsulting. Even though I do not suffer fools and stupidity very well, but this is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen.
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Kathy:

I did not attck YOU. I called your argument as I see it...Stupid. That does not mean you are stupid just your argument and it is both irrational and illogical to presume that if something is not specifically, emphasis on specifically, disallowed in the Rules then it is OK tyo include. I expect that you had better start including all such dataincluding the Accountants, Grips, best Boys, Lighting Techmnicians and so on and rest assured that if you do I will vote No to every Contribution made including such bull based upon your iillogical logic.

Neither Accountants, Grips, Best Boys, Lighting Technicians, and so on, are listed in the crew chart.  The credits that Kathy includes, even though they are listed under a location header, are, so this argument, as I see it, is beyond stupid.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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If that is what Kathy was talking about then she changed the discussion. The discussion was Location crew/Units, which I had previously dealt with. She chimeds in with waht appeared to be a direct response unless I missed something and trying to state that since they are not SPECIFICALLY excliuded then Location Crew are OK. And I repeat if that is indeed what sh was saying, I am telling they are neither specifically included or excluded, you and Kathy should not presume that they are OK and if uyou really believe that to be true then there are kinds of crew people that are not specifically included or excluded as I have mentioned and if your logic holds then you need to start listing a lot more people, which is wrong and which I shall vote No on.
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TThen I guess we can expect you to start including Music editors, or whatever else, after all they are not specificall allowed either. Your infallible logic is very fallible and completely illogical. And if you start fdollowing that in your Contributions I will be more than happy to give you a resounding No vote to every such Contribution using that as a basiss.

Are Music Editors listed in the crew chart?  No, I didn't think so...yet another stupid argument.
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You have no basis upon which to base your arguments most of the time, youy were NOT part of the original. You are not the authority, I am not saying or implying that I am, but you are only guessing and it's not even a good educated guess, it is merely your opinion based upon your own smoke and mirrors.

Please change your tune as this is a bogus argument.  Much as you like to think otherwise, being a part of the original rules group does not give you any authority.  You, just like the rest of us, are just a user and your opinion carries no extra weight..
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Anmswers such as the ones I have seen is why it has taken me many years to even be willing to consider helping the Community with a Rules Team again.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody wants your help with a rules team again.
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Pure unmitigated bull and people with such thin skins that cannot even put tohgether a cogent argument and instead say tripe like wewll it's not specifically excluded...give me a breaklk

Except for the last part, you have described yourself perfectly.  Pure unmitigated bull?  Check.  Thin skinned?  Check.  Unable to put together a coggen argument and instead says tripe like, "you weren't part of the original rules group so your opinion doesn't count?"  Check.
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I amtrying very hard not  to beinsulting. Even though I do not suffer fools and stupidity very well, but this is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen.

As you seem to suffer yourself just fine, I find this statement hard to believe.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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If that is what Kathy was talking about then she changed the discussion. The discussion was Location crew/Units, which I had previously dealt with. She chimeds in with waht appeared to be a direct response unless I missed something and trying to state that since they are not SPECIFICALLY excliuded then Location Crew are OK. And I repeat if that is indeed what sh was saying, I am telling they are neither specifically included or excluded, you and Kathy should not presume that they are OK and if uyou really believe that to be true then there are kinds of crew people that are not specifically included or excluded as I have mentioned and if your logic holds then you need to start listing a lot more people, which is wrong and which I shall vote No on.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?  Let me try one last time, then I am done...

The Crew Chart lists all the valid Profiler credits.  Only people credited with one of those roles can be entered...the rules are pretty clear on that point, so anything else is automatically excluded, even if they aren't specifically mentioned.

As an example, an Art Director listed under a heading of Japan Crew.  Because the credit is valid...it is listed in the crew chart...Kathy, and quite a few other people, are including them in the profile under a divider of 'Japan Crew'.  People are voting 'yes' and Invelos is approving those contributions.

Like it or not, and it is clear that you don't, this has been going on for quite some time now.  I doubt that it is going to change simply because you say that it should.

And with that, unless something new is added by another user, I am done.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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The Crew Chart lists all the valid Profiler credits.  Only people credited with one of those roles can be entered...the rules are pretty clear on that point, so anything else is automatically excluded, even if they aren't specifically mentioned.


I find it quite interesting that you quote a Rule that you have admitted on numerous occasions that you ignore and advise others to ignore.
Hal
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A few things I should mention regarding my inclusion of Location Crew.

First, I document that I am including Location Crew members. I want to be sure the screeners are aware of exactly who I am including.

Second, any Location Crew members I include are found directly on the Credits chart.

Finally, I have found that many DVDs have Location and Unit Crew listed in the credits.

When this occurs I only include the Location Crew and document the fact that Unit Crew were not contributed.

I do not believe I have had a single contribution declined when I have included Location Crew.

Therefore, until I hear directly from Ken or Gerri, I will continue to contribute Location Crew members based on my understanding of the rules as well as the approval of the invelos screeners.
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