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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
I haven't seen this film so have no idea as to what these uncredited appearances are like. Are they actually inserted into scenes and interacting with the cast of this movie ala Forrest Gump or just flashback scenes? It's done as a flashback to recount the story up to that point to catch people up since the last one (Rise of the Lycans, released in '09, was a prequel). | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | My personal opinion....
The footage was not shot for the feature itself (and assume that there are no credits for the flashback scene), therefor it should be treated as archive footage.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
My personal opinion....
The footage was not shot for the feature itself (and assume that there are no credits for the flashback scene), therefor it should be treated as archive footage.
Charlie I have to disagree. If the footage was written and produced, as opposed to news or interview footage meant for another purpose, then I think they should be included. They are actors, aren't they? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have to disagree. If the footage was written and produced, as opposed to news or interview footage meant for another purpose, then I think they should be included. They are actors, aren't they? But this opens up for movies playing in the backgrouind on a TV or such. We want those actors in...? Jamie Lee Curtis gets credited for Scream (movie plays during the party scene)? James Arness is credited for Halloween (The Thing is playing in Tommy's house). I see where you are getting at and am inclined to agree to the intent (  ), but IMO it must be defined differently. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
But this opens up for movies playing in the backgrouind on a TV or such. We want those actors in...? Jamie Lee Curtis gets credited for Scream (movie plays during the party scene)? James Arness is credited for Halloween (The Thing is playing in Tommy's house).
I see where you are getting at and am inclined to agree to the intent (), but IMO it must be defined differently. You got the intent right. Some series already credit these types of things...I know Stargate did...so it seems silly to exclude the uncredited ones. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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My personal opinion....
The footage was not shot for the feature itself (and assume that there are no credits for the flashback scene), therefor it should be treated as archive footage.
Charlie
I have to disagree. If the footage was written and produced, as opposed to news or interview footage meant for another purpose, then I think they should be included. They are actors, aren't they? But they're actors that acted in a different film, and possibly had ZERO involvement in the current feature being watched/profiled whatever. I agree with CharlieM, I don't think they should be credited. If a Charlie Chaplin film was playing on a tv in the background of a film released in 2011, out of focus, but just recognizable, no sound being heard (music, talking or otherwise) for 30 seconds before the characters in the actual film left the room, we're supposed to give Chaplin a credit? There's something about that that sits really wrong with me. Of course though, there are exceptions to every rule, so I would never say "absolutely 100% no to every single case"  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | First you have to be willing to listen to the intent. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,652 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Uh hu | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Looking back over this thread, it reminded me of something that happened a couple years back here. I think it was Gremlins, but might've been a different movie. Anyway, I had audited it and found "Robbie The Robot" listed as an uncredited cast member. I tried removing that and the voters freaked, solidly striking me down for either a model in the background or image on a TV in the film.  Looking back, it probably was Gremlins with Marvin Miller uncredited as Robbie the Robot (voice). It's the only thing I have for Marvin besides narrating Godzilla Raids Again (English version). Or I deleted it and locked it, I have no other Robbie the Robot credits. This taught me, leave robots alone!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
But they're actors that acted in a different film, and possibly had ZERO involvement in the current feature being watched/profiled whatever. I agree with CharlieM, I don't think they should be credited. If a Charlie Chaplin film was playing on a tv in the background of a film released in 2011, out of focus, but just recognizable, no sound being heard (music, talking or otherwise) for 30 seconds before the characters in the actual film left the room, we're supposed to give Chaplin a credit? There's something about that that sits really wrong with me. This isn't the kind of archive footage I was talking about. I was refering to footage, from previous films or episodes in a series. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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But they're actors that acted in a different film, and possibly had ZERO involvement in the current feature being watched/profiled whatever. I agree with CharlieM, I don't think they should be credited. If a Charlie Chaplin film was playing on a tv in the background of a film released in 2011, out of focus, but just recognizable, no sound being heard (music, talking or otherwise) for 30 seconds before the characters in the actual film left the room, we're supposed to give Chaplin a credit? There's something about that that sits really wrong with me.
This isn't the kind of archive footage I was talking about. I was refering to footage, from previous films or episodes in a series. Aaahh, I gotcha. Should've read the full previous page too I suppose  . Thanks for the clarification. That's one of those trickier situations to me. I still think that I'd personally exclude them. If they had nothing to do with the actual production of the current feature being viewed, I wouldn't give them a credit. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | My understanding is that archive footage was not not allowed.
But, I can't find a post that Ken or invelos ever weighed in on the matter. If not, then there needs to be one because the issue has come up again in voting.
Contributions in which acchive footage was added, then removed is being added yet again.
Does anyone know if Ken or invelos issued a public stance on this issue?
If not, Ken please let the community know how we are supposed to deal with archive footage. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | A Google search brings up nothing. Since the rules say Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries." and don't add "unless it's archive footage," it seems to me that it's allowed. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
A Google search brings up nothing. Since the rules say Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries." and don't add "unless it's archive footage," it seems to me that it's allowed. I know that polls are not "the rules" but it seems that the vast majority in this poll feel that archive actors are not considered to be uncredited cast and should not be included. IMHO, and based on the poll's results, this data should be kept local until Ken weighs in on the matter. Otherwise the data will be removed, added, removed, added etc. depending on where one stands on the issue. Personally, I like having this type of information in my database but I will vote "no" on these contributions until Ken settles the issue. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | So if there is a sporting event on a TV, we get to list all players, umps, coaches, refs as uncredited archive.
or when it is based on a true-life event, and during the main cast credit role, when they show the actor and the real life person next to each other. The real-life gets a uncredited listing?
There are so many profiles that need to be updated or corrected I can't see why anyone would want to spend time and effort on uncredited, archive. |
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