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xradman:

The problem with the linking is as follows. It should be largely a local issue, data which is properly documented should be shareable in a form which i have previously described. The system as it functions now, I haven't been able to devise a fix for, I really wish I could. Whether you, what you link and how you do it, is NOT an Online problem. The only issue vis a vis Online, sharing of data, which requires documentation, not simply throwing mud on the wall to see if it sticks.

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I disagree. Linking is work that should be shared like any other.
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The problem with the linking is as follows. It should be largely a local issue, data which is properly documented should be shareable in a form which i have previously described. The system as it functions now, I haven't been able to devise a fix for, I really wish I could. Whether you, what you link and how you do it, is NOT an Online problem. The only issue vis a vis Online, sharing of data, which requires documentation, not simply throwing mud on the wall to see if it sticks.

Skip

I disagree.  A database that cannot properly link data is not a database, but a collection of data.  This is our biggest shortcoming and big part of that stems from not adopting a common name or naming convention early on.  You yourself recognized this and put together acceptable names for studios (regardless of how it appears on film credits or DVD box), why not the same zeal for actor names?
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You are saying IMDB is 80% incorrect?

I will concede for sure that it's not 100% but 80% incorrect is completely inaccurate.

(I don't have number, nor could I speculate on one, but realistically it's not 80%).


I couldn't agree more.  When I read that I thought it might be a joke or sarcasm or something.  Good grief.

There is so much information there that if 80% of it were wrong, it would be worthless.  Some may think that it is worthless, but those people are ignorant - in my humble opinion anyway.  IMDb not only helps people like us to find out more information about movies than ever before, but it also helps actors promote their career.  As far as I'm concerned, The Internet would be a much emptier place without IMDb.  There's just too much information there for it to be ignored.

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. If you don't have the time doing the research and insist on using IMdb data, keep it in your local database and don't contribute the cast and crew for that profile. There is even more work in verifying a profile than start a new profile. Cast and crew not in credits as credited out of order, ...


For the record...I never once implied or even hinted that I was using IMDb for anything at DVD Pro.  That would be against the rules if anyone did that!
And how do you know how much research I do when I add/update a profile?  I don't just type and click half-assed through a profile to get it done.  I make sure the data I submit is accurate.  But if I do ever make a mistake I make sure I correct it if I know about it.  Not a single person here can honestly claim to have never made a mistake while adding or updating a profile.  It freakin' happens!

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I don't think anyone meant that 80% of IMDb's data is erroneous. What I believe was meant was that you will quite likely find at least one error in 80% of their "profiles".
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I think what they are saying is 80% of the titles listed at the IMDb have some type of error in it, not that 80% of all of the info is incorrect.

EDIT: dang you Max! 
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I think what they are saying is 80% of the titles listed at the IMDb have some type of error in it, not that 80% of all of the info is incorrect.

EDIT: dang you Max! 




Sorry bout that .
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I don't think anyone meant that 80% of IMDb's data is erroneous. What I believe was meant was that you will quite likely find at least one error in 80% of their "profiles".


If that is indeed what they were saying, then I might agree...but I would venture to say that the errors are minor for the most part.  Incomplete data cannot be considered an error either.  And I believe the same can be said about profiles at DVD Pro...I know some want to believe this next statment to be untrue, but that doesn't mean that it is.  DVD PROFILER IS NOT PERFECT.  It's an awesome place to store DVD collections for easy viewing, but it's not perfect.  Sorry.  That being said, it's still probably the best place to store DVD collections.  But unless you have several full-time paid employees doing constant updating and checking, it will always contain errors.
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I think what they are saying is 80% of the titles listed at the IMDb have some type of error in it, not that 80% of all of the info is incorrect.

EDIT: dang you Max! 

You've got it, Rick.  It was Surfeur who made a statement that 10% of the movies in IMDB had errors in them.  I said that in my experience that it was more like 10% of the movies in IMDB had NO errors in them and that there were more likely to be 90% that had errors in them.  I never meant to imply that 90% of the data in IMDB was in error.  That's just ridiculous.

I think that in some areas IMDB information is more correct than others.  I am primarily concerned with the Cast/Crew data people want to take from IMDB, because I have found that MOST of the cast/crew lists in IMDB have many errors and are inconsistent with the actual moviecredits.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has not examined the actual credits very closely.
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...but I would venture to say that the errors are minor for the most part.  Incomplete data cannot be considered an error either.

If you think errors in cast/crew lists are "minor for the most part" you clearly have not been looking very closely at those crew lists and the film credits they should be based on.  Because nearly every cast list has some inaccuracy in it -- spellig, missing people or people who are NOT actually in the cast, incorrect role names, etc.  If you don't care whether or not your profiles are accurate, it's certainly up to you.  Just don't contribute it.  Many of us do care about the accuracy of the data in Profiler and go to a considerable amount of trouble to try and ensure that accuracy.  People who don't cooperate, though, make things a lot tougher on those people who do.
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I don't think anyone meant that 80% of IMDb's data is erroneous. What I believe was meant was that you will quite likely find at least one error in 80% of their "profiles".


If that is indeed what they were saying, then I might agree...but I would venture to say that the errors are minor for the most part.  Incomplete data cannot be considered an error either.  And I believe the same can be said about profiles at DVD Pro...I know some want to believe this next statment to be untrue, but that doesn't mean that it is.  DVD PROFILER IS NOT PERFECT.  It's an awesome place to store DVD collections for easy viewing, but it's not perfect.  Sorry.  That being said, it's still probably the best place to store DVD collections.  But unless you have several full-time paid employees doing constant updating and checking, it will always contain errors.

aka:

Before you defend IMDb further, allow me to suggest that you spend some time suitting down and editing titles per the rules to the ACTUAL film data and compare that data to IMDb. It wonn'[t take you long to realize that that system is an utter disaster.

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IMDb is an awesome and unique resource and should be given credit where credit is due.


I agree with that. There are some errors on some movies, I would say, 10% of movies have errors on IMDb.

Dvdprofiler online doesn't do better, in region 2. Reading this forum, it seems that region 1 is nearly perfect...


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2) Nobody should explain why she/he give you a negative reputation vote!
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4) Why do you now care about the red goodies? On several occasions you said you did not care.
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...but I would venture to say that the errors are minor for the most part.  Incomplete data cannot be considered an error either.

If you think errors in cast/crew lists are "minor for the most part" you clearly have not been looking very closely at those crew lists and the film credits they should be based on.  Because nearly every cast list has some inaccuracy in it -- spellig, missing people or people who are NOT actually in the cast, incorrect role names, etc.  If you don't care whether or not your profiles are accurate, it's certainly up to you.  Just don't contribute it.  Many of us do care about the accuracy of the data in Profiler and go to a considerable amount of trouble to try and ensure that accuracy.  People who don't cooperate, though, make things a lot tougher on those people who do.


Very well put! Agree 100%.

I use IMDb as a basis when doing full audits of cast and crew, and almost every time (I would go as far as saying in 99% of the cases I've come across) there are errors on IMDb when compared to the actual Film's credits.
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If you don't care whether or not your profiles are accurate, it's certainly up to you.  Just don't contribute it.  Many of us do care about the accuracy of the data in Profiler and go to a considerable amount of trouble to try and ensure that accuracy.  People who don't cooperate, though, make things a lot tougher on those people who do.


?????????????  When did I ever say/imply/suggest/elude that I don't care about making profiles accurate?  I've already said that I don't take information from IMDb and put it here.  I said I do a lot of research when I'm adding/updating a profile to make sure I add the correct information.  Stop trying to put words info my mouth and making me out to be some sort of rebel, please.  Sheesh.

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Quoting 8ballMax:
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I don't think anyone meant that 80% of IMDb's data is erroneous. What I believe was meant was that you will quite likely find at least one error in 80% of their "profiles".


If that is indeed what they were saying, then I might agree...but I would venture to say that the errors are minor for the most part.  Incomplete data cannot be considered an error either.  And I believe the same can be said about profiles at DVD Pro...I know some want to believe this next statment to be untrue, but that doesn't mean that it is.  DVD PROFILER IS NOT PERFECT.  It's an awesome place to store DVD collections for easy viewing, but it's not perfect.  Sorry.  That being said, it's still probably the best place to store DVD collections.  But unless you have several full-time paid employees doing constant updating and checking, it will always contain errors.

aka:

Before you defend IMDb further, allow me to suggest that you spend some time suitting down and editing titles per the rules to the ACTUAL film data and compare that data to IMDb. It wonn'[t take you long to realize that that system is an utter disaster.

Skip


I am fully aware that IMDb has errors and it can be improved.  However, the BIGGEST difference at IMDb compared to DVD Pro is that information at IMDb is not added directly from a disc.  Often times it's the managers/agents of actors adding it or someone who is working as an extra on the movie set but yes a lot of time it's people assuming too much and that does make a slight mess.  Before movies end production, things change. scenes get deleted and cut, people get fired or layed off and so on.  I think it's important before we jump to any conclusion and delete someone from a cast list, because they don't appear in the credits, to do a little research and verify if that person was indeed ever involved in the movie.  Then the proper attribute can be added to the credit. (i.e. scenes deleted, uncredited etc.)  And for any to assume that I haven't spent a lot of time there are mistaken.  There have been several times that the system has asked me to take a break from browsing and give others a chance to use the resources.  Seriously!  Though I admit I don't go through the site with a fine-toothed comb, I'm only one man with limited time usually.

But at this point I think it's going to be impossible to convince most of you finicky people into putting it into perspective and accepting IMDb as a great resource.  So I'm done.

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Before you defend IMDb further, allow me to suggest that you spend some time suitting down and editing titles per the rules to the ACTUAL film data and compare that data to IMDb. It wonn'[t take you long to realize that that system is an utter disaster.

Skip


Speaking of which, IMDB just celebrated their 18th birthday.... Not too bad for a disasterous website..
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Speaking of which, IMDB just celebrated their 18th birthday.... Not too bad for a disasterous website..


So? I've had a web presense longer than that .
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