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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Like I said by the way you and Erik want to do it we must start profiling all DS disc individually. Why do we even have Side A and Side B in the Disc area. I won't do it, I won't support it and I WILL vote NO when I see it.
Skip Then you will be voting 'no' in violation of the rules. Nobody is suggesting that we profile EVERY double sided disc. Only those that have a film on each side of the disc. They rules define that as a box set and the rules say to create a profile for each film. Can we do it properly when there is more than one film on a side? No, but that is a limitation in the program and, for those cases we use dividers. That limitation, however, should not prevent us from properly profiling the sets we can profile. Phantom discs is a bogus concern here. The minute we created box sets with parent profiles we threw that concern out the window. Every single box set has a phantom disc profile associated with it. As long as we allow parent and child profiles, we will never be able to get an accurate disc count. As long as we disallow profiling bonus discs, we will never be able to get an accurate disc count. It is a goal that can never be achieved with this program and using that as a reason to not do this defies all reason and logic. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
From where I am sitting, because of the ramification involved here, this is probably the single most detsructive suggestion I have seen yet.
Skip You made it! | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I actually gotten used to being the lone voice of sanity here. It's really too bad you guys don't get it. i won't support it...'nuff said.
Skip I don't really think there are so many who really want to know the actual physical number of discs as much as the number of profiles. For examples, what would be the point of knowing that there are 5 physical discs in the boxset for Stargate Atlantis Season 1? In my local Profiler, the count is roughly 600 actual Master profiles, but it tells me that I have over 700 discs (actually its UPCs and Disc IDs being counted) logged into the collection. What else do you need to know for a disc total? | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | In answer to the original question asked by 'midnitoil', you were completely correct in the method you used. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Like I said by the way you and Erik want to do it we must start profiling all DS disc individually. Why do we even have Side A and Side B in the Disc area. I won't do it, I won't support it and I WILL vote NO when I see it.
Skip
Then you will be voting 'no' in violation of the rules. Nobody is suggesting that we profile EVERY double sided disc. Only those that have a film on each side of the disc. They rules define that as a box set and the rules say to create a profile for each film.
Can we do it properly when there is more than one film on a side? No, but that is a limitation in the program and, for those cases we use dividers. That limitation, however, should not prevent us from properly profiling the sets we can profile.
Phantom discs is a bogus concern here. The minute we created box sets with parent profiles we threw that concern out the window. Every single box set has a phantom disc profile associated with it. As long as we allow parent and child profiles, we will never be able to get an accurate disc count. As long as we disallow profiling bonus discs, we will never be able to get an accurate disc count. It is a goal that can never be achieved with this program and using that as a reason to not do this defies all reason and logic. Is that a dare, Unicus? Do yiou really want me to start submitting boxset data for WS/P&S releases. By your very own comment if I do you CAN'T vote NO. Skip   | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
In answer to the original question asked by 'midnitoil', you were completely correct in the method you used. So you have become the arbiter of the Rules, hal. Are you stating YOUR opinion, or.... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Is that a dare, Unicus? Do yiou really want me to start submitting boxset data for WS/P&S releases. By your very own comment if I do you CAN'T vote NO.
Skip Not a dare because such a submission would be a violation of the rules. A disc with WS/P&S versions of the SAME movie, on opposite sides, does not make it a box set. They are the same movie just different video formats. That is what the side A/side B sections are for...that is also covered in the rules: If a movie is on both sides of a disc in Widescreen and Pan & Scan or Full Frame versions, identify this by entering the Side A description as "Main Feature (Widescreen)" and the Side B description as "Main Feature (Pan & Scan)" or "Main Feature (Full Frame)", or the reverse if that is the order on the disc sides.So, if you do make such a submission, it would be a violation of the rules and I would have to vote 'no'...nice try though.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You just reinforced my point, so we treat some as TWO discs and others as not. From a Db point of view that makes NO sense. They should all be treated the same. This just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
Quote:
In answer to the original question asked by 'midnitoil', you were completely correct in the method you used.
So you have become the arbiter of the Rules, hal. Are you stating YOUR opinion, or....
Skip With the exception of you, Skip, it's unanimous. You are the only one to say midnitol is wrong. It's up to you to convince us. So far you're at 0%. You haven't convinced a single person and you are using insults. The one you tossed at Hal was completely unnecessary. So were the others. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You just reinforced my point, so we treat some as TWO discs and others as not. From a Db point of view that makes NO sense. They should all be treated the same. This just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Skip We treat them differently because they are different. One has the same film on both sides, the other has a different film on each side. From a data standpoint, it makes no sense to treat them the same...at least from my PoV. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus, a small diversion... Firstly, I'm in agreement with your thoughts above. Something that's been giving me a lot of thought....what's your take on the R1 version of Vanishing Point (0 24543 11040 8), where the US version is on side A and the UK version (with the additional scene with the uncredited Charlotte Rampling) on side B? Do you consider this to be a box set or is the UK variant a Bonus Feature? I've posted before on this topic....and I'm still not sure what it should be!  | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Two side, two movies, title is irrelevant according to what i am seeing so far. Two sides have UNIQUE Disc IDs and they are nothing more than TWO discs glued together. I am only echoing the pro arguments i have seen and trying to show how utterly nuts it is. Dan you know me I don't care how many stand against me, I have gotten used to it, I am right and I have more expertise than my own on this.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mole:
I would call it a Standard WS/P&S type of release and treat it accordingly. If I recall there is ONE minor cast difference and of course the Runtime which is already dealt with in the Rules. But under the tandards being laid out here, all bets are off. I will tell you that I would not support treating as a Boxset.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Mole:
I would call it a Standard WS/P&S type of release and treat it accordingly. If I recall there is ONE minor cast difference and of course the Runtime which is already dealt with in the Rules. But under the tandards being laid out here, all bets are off. I will tell you that I would not support treating as a Boxset.
Skip I see from where you're coming, but the problem here is that the run time in the online is for the "ahem" longer UK version, which (if I read you right) should be considered as the Bonus Feature. So, should I correct the run time to be representative of the "main Feature"? Edit: yes, as far as I can discover, the only cast difference is Charlotte Rampling. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mole: Quote:
Unicus,
a small diversion...
Firstly, I'm in agreement with your thoughts above. Something that's been giving me a lot of thought....what's your take on the R1 version of Vanishing Point (0 24543 11040 8), where the US version is on side A and the UK version (with the additional scene with the uncredited Charlotte Rampling) on side B?
Do you consider this to be a box set or is the UK variant a Bonus Feature?
I've posted before on this topic....and I'm still not sure what it should be! If the UK version was not given equal billing on the front cover, it should be handled per the "Ben Hur" prototype. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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