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I am trying to figure out what you are trying to accomplish here.

You're not the only one.

I think that one is quite easy to answer:

He's trying to find customers for a competing product.
Hence my remark that this thread should have been removed on day 1.

Why strain yourself to come up such a dull cliche of a retort, one that has been used to death from the beginning of time?  If you can't come up with anything else, then just admit that I'm having a LEGITIMATE discussion here, albeit on a subject you may not like to discuss.  I know I'm the bearer of bad news and you don't like to hear it.  But I haven't been here and haven't brought up DVDP's shortcomings for the last 2 years, so it's not like I'm spamming your forum every day.  Two years ago this forum was not as dead as this.  This product is not going to last forever and you all need to hear the truth.

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If you can't haul your laptop around, can you just admit you can't?  Why make a weasly statement like, "While I don't haul it around, I can."  It doesn't strengthen your argument any.  It only strengthen MY argument that it is difficult for anyone to carry any bulky equipment instead of a lightweight smartphone (which of course has LIMITED storage space, not enough for your gigabyte DVDP data).

Why would I admit to something that isn't true?  I can haul my laptop around everywhere I go.  The fact that I don't doesn't change the fact that I can.  I went on vacation last week and hauled it along with me with no difficulty at all.  The point still remains, the point you chose to ignore as it weakens your argument, is that with the rise in tablets that run real windows 8, it is very easy to bring PC Software anywhere you go.

As for the limited storage space, I don't know what smartphone you are using, but my iPhone had more than enough room for my DVDP data as well as my music and favorite apps.  The reason I switched it to my iPad, and gave the phone to my daughter, is that I didn't like the small screen size.  I am migrating to the Surface Pro because I prefer the desktop version over the iOS version.

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DVDP is still the best among this TYPE of software, but what I'm arguing is that this genre of software is really getting obsolete.  Even in its popular days, disc-cataloguing software was already a niche to begin with.  People who buy thousands of movies are a minority and always have been.  People who buy 1000+ of movies AND use disc-cataloguing are a minority within a minority.  And with cloud-technology taking over many applications, it should be obvious the handwriting is on the wall regarding DVDP's success.

If everything you just said is true, and I agree most of it is, how is putting the database 'in the cloud' going to change anything? 

As I already said, adding cloud technology makes the product more attractive in order to bring in NEW customers, so there will be NEW contributors, resulting in a better database.  The product may never rise up from its niche status, but you have to at least try.

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As I already said, adding cloud technology makes the product more attractive in order to bring in NEW customers, so there will be NEW contributors, resulting in a better database.

Makes it more attractive to you.  As you must have noticed by all the posts in this thread, it doesn't make it more attractive to everybody else.

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The product may never rise up from its niche status, but you have to at least try.

This product will never rise up from niche status as the target audience is, by definition, a niche audience.  As more and more people choose digital over physical media, that niche audience will shrink.  Adding cloud technology isn't going to change that.

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I have given my opinion before that this is an industry problem. I don't understand why the industry forces the entire world-wide user community to scrape or re-enter metadata that undoubtedly already exists in the various production databases involved in releasing the media. If anybody could shed light on that, I would be curious.

On top of that, the services that charge money to get metadata are themselves incomplete and unreliable (IMDB and Gracenote are two I know about.)

Seems to me that if there were a truly industry-supplied accurate source of data, there would be enough takers to make the service cheap enough for individual users.

Another observation is the glaring lack of involvement of Invelos in discussions like this. I can draw the following conclusions:

(1) They don't care - unlikely (Ken is viewing the Forums every day)
(2) They can't comment for some reason - if true, I wonder why?
(3) They are planning secret products that address the issues - we can only hope

Ken is burdened with a customer base that comprises of many people with very old-school way of doing things.  I mean, Ken is still offering support for *PocketPC* users.  Why can't those people just move on to something else so Ken has more time to improve the product?  If his customers demand old-school products and services then Ken has no choice but to comply.  Look at the responses I got in this thread.  They are not just resisting cloud technology, but ANY new ideas.  One poster very words are, "I am old and not inclined to change."  The only way to bring about improvements to the product is to bring in NEW, possibly young customers, and I don't see it happening.  Ken even tried to be "new school" and set up facebook and twitter pages, which, unsurprisingly have had next to no activity there from his old-school customers.  There is a reason why companies like the 18-40 demographics.  They are people who are less close-minded about new ideas and technology.

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As I already said, adding cloud technology makes the product more attractive in order to bring in NEW customers, so there will be NEW contributors, resulting in a better database.

Makes it more attractive to you.  As you must have noticed by all the posts in this thread, it doesn't make it more attractive to everybody else.

That's because you guys are fans of the products and already have your minds made up, and HARDLY ANYONE ELSE posts here.  And has DVDP gotten any new customers lately?  Looking at the diminishing forum traffic, it likely hasn't.  And from that, you can deduce that people outside of this forum are NON-FANS of this product.

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The product may never rise up from its niche status, but you have to at least try.

This product will never rise up from niche status as the target audience is, by definition, a niche audience.  As more and more people choose digital over physical media, that niche audience will shrink.  Adding cloud technology isn't going to change that.

"Niche" is anywhere from 0 to, say, 20,000 customers.  Do you want to be at the low end of niche or the highest end?  There is ALWAYS room for improvement no matter how niche you are. 

There are still people collecting 16mm films, so there will always be people who collect physical movie discs.  There will always be a place for disc-cataloguing software.  But you gotta give it the best chance to succeed.

One final comment and I'm through with this debate.

What makes you think "new" is so much better? In my experience this is seldom the case.

Let me give you a couple of examples.

I've owned cars for almost 40 years. Most of my vehicles had windows that you manually lowered using a crank. Never, not once, did I ever have a window get stuck or have the crank break.

This is not the case with my automatic windows. I've had the window refuse to open and/or get stuck in the down position.

Not only is that frustrating, it cost several hundred dollars to get the "new" "improved" version fixed.

No thank you - when I buy a new care I'll wait the few weeks until the dealership special orders the reliable "old" window openers.

Another example of why "I'm old and not inclined to change" is my telephone. I use a 1957 Bell rotary phone and it works as perfectly as it did 58 years ago.

How many phones have you bought? I wonder how much money you will spend on phones over the next 58 years.

I'm of a generation that prefers quality, reliable products. I won't purchase things just because they are new.

This has nothing to do with being "close-minded" - it is merely the voice of experience and one I listen to.

If a new idea or technology comes along I'll take a look but I'm only interested if it is significantly better and stands the test of time.

Finally, here's why I think companies like the 18-40 demographics - they know this group doesn't spend their money wisely.

And, since this group "needs" these "new" unreliable products,  the companies know the money will keep flowing in.

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One final comment and I'm through with this debate.

What makes you think "new" is so much better? In my experience this is seldom the case.

Let me give you a couple of examples.

I've owned cars for almost 40 years. Most of my vehicles had windows that you manually lowered using a crank. Never, not once, did I ever have a window get stuck or have the crank break.

This is not the case with my automatic windows. I've had the window refuse to open and/or get stuck in the down position.

Not only is that frustrating, it cost several hundred dollars to get the "new" "improved" version fixed.

No thank you - when I buy a new care I'll wait the few weeks until the dealership special orders the reliable "old" window openers.

Another example of why "I'm old and not inclined to change" is my telephone. I use a 1957 Bell rotary phone and it works as perfectly as it did 58 years ago.

How many phones have you bought? I wonder how much money you will spend on phones over the next 58 years.

I'm of a generation that prefers quality, reliable products. I won't purchase things just because they are new.

This has nothing to do with being "close-minded" - it is merely the voice of experience and one I listen to.

If a new idea or technology comes along I'll take a look but I'm only interested if it is significantly better and stands the test of time.

Finally. here's why I think companies like the 18-40 demographics - they know this group doesn't spend their money wisely.

And, since this group "needs" these "new" unreliable products,  the companies know the money will keep flowing in.

Kathy, you failed to mention that there had been lots of "new" products that didn't catch on with the public.  The New Coke, IBM PC Jr., the early Windows tablets, Betamax, laserdiscs, etc.  You seem to have too little faith with what the public decided to accept or reject.  18-40 is a pretty big group, and not all are "young" in that group.  You have to have a little belief that whatever the decision the public makes, it is more often than not the right one.  Every group of people comprises of smart people, and some not so smart ones.  The totalilty of their decision is like evolution.  Nature selects what species to survive, just as public opinion decides the fate of every product.