The thread was firstly about a Make-up effects artist credit not a Make-up artist... Two different things.

Make-up effects artist isn't permited by the rules as they are now
Make-up artist is permited by the rules

This isn't what you said at all and I don't agree with you more today that I did yesterday

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The way I would contribute a "Make-up Effects Artist" is as "Make-up Effects".

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You don't notice the similarities between "Make-up for Abe Sapien = Make-up Artist" and "Make-up Effects = Make-up Effects Artist"?

I think you don't get me or you don't want to get me...

I'll do it slowly

In the real world or the common sense world a make-up effets artist do make-up effects and I didn't wrote the contrary. But in the DVDP strictly ruled world a make-up effects artist doesn't exist...

Never said I don't do it for my personal database as common sense is use in it, but in the online database we can't as the rules doesn't say we can and we can't use common sense in them.

This is just an exemple of how silly are the rules if we follow them to the letter. Sure it makes perfectly sense for you, me and probably everybody else that a make-up effects artist do make-up effects. But if we accept to use common sense for this nothing will prevent to use common sense for everything else and the rules will became useless.

See, you don't win your point as I say the same thing since the beginning. The only difference is that I say we can't because the rules doesn't permit it and we all know how the rules are thrown in our face when we don't agree with something...

Just take that as a representation of how rules can be over the top when no interpretation is allowed.

Hope you get me this time

P.S : Make-up for cast member XYZ is in the list of the accepted variant for make-up artist

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The rules say Make-up for a cast member equals Make-up Artist not Make-up effects... by the rules your way is a personal interpretation and can't be contributed to the online database whatever it is right or wrong.

But this isn't makeup for a cast member, it is makeup for a specific character.  Since that isn't in the list either, your way is a personal interpretation as well. 

That being said, this is make-up for a specific character that was created using make-up effects.  There is no way that this...

is a standard make-up artist credit.  I can understand, based on the wording, why some people would say it isn't contributable, but this is the very definition of makeup effects and should not be contributed as make-up artist.

It keeps getting so much easier to not contribute.

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It keeps getting so much easier to not contribute.

It is. The rules are too strict and a certain dose of common sense must have a place in the process.

It's the point I try to make with that silly exemple... I'm pretty sure it was the point that bbbbb wanted to do also.

For a database that is associated with a creative industry. The rules are very terse and limited to not include common sense for the many different ways the same job is credited for the past 100 years. Or even new crew titles that have evolved to become more specific. As with movie screenplays I think we need a re-write.
And not the same people who were associated with the original rules. Need some fresh free-thinking-outside-the-box type people.

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What we need to do, is move to some form of open credit and use as.credited.

Sound perfectly fine to me as a solution. We get rid of the actual crew groups (direction, writing, ...) and we change that for an open list where we enter the job as listed on the credit.

I see only advantage to this as the "is this job is this" question will be over, every crew members will became contribuable and there won't be anymore interpretation possible.

Why the group who wrote the rules didn't think at that? It isn't like it was impossible to do even with the old DVDP version...

When I think that my point was to show the limit of the rules, I'm sure surprise that we kind of agree on this Skip

Jimmy
You have it backwards. The program does not respond to the rules. The rules respond to the program. We wrote the rules to the crew setup ken gave us. There are mammoth advantages to open crew, but disadvantages as well. Can we limit successfully the crew data that we want entered, I don't think do.