Anytime a user adopts an attitude of I am not including this data in my notes because I don't want to type it, I did the checking and it is because I say it is is simply lazy or worse yet uncaring about the database quality and does not understand the premise of a bibliography. This is essentially the function that out Contribution Notes seve, they become a part of the PERMANENT record for that title. If you read any sort research type book, pick your poison, and the author included a footnote and the footnote said something like this, "This statement is correct, I did the research but I am not going to include it, it is because I say it is." Would you trust that author's research...I would not. Our database is no different.

Once again I had written a long damn reply but it wasn't sent.
Jesus, I am getting tired of all this. Maybe I'm not supposed to talk to any of you. But the fact remains that you rather want to focus on me and me being so "rude" and that my behavior is so bad, rather than accepting the fact that I am right. Some contributions suck and some votes suck, because they are not thought through and some people don't care so much about the rules.
However this forum seems to be more about territorial pissing than it is about being upfront and honest.
I am obviously stepping on some toes here but that I can't be bothered about, really.
Me using the word lazy at no one in particular vs. people attacking my personal life is kind of different. Pathetic, immature, unintelligent.
Discuss the real subject or refrain from reading and posting. I don't need any fake attitudes and polished words that are really insults anyway to go with your words.
I tried to explain what I meant with my first posts and that was my form of "excuse" for using some harsh language. You have to settle for that. I didn't feel I had accused anyone in particular so I didn't have to be so damn formal about excuses. As I crave from those who really crossed the line against me. Thusly I am still not sorry about my really angry message and I honestly don't care if "kids" read my curse words. They are used to it anyway, unless they grew up in some right wing conservative Christian family in which case I am really sorry for them.
Now, let's debate the real issue at hand... Sigh.
If not, fine. I won't write here anymore.

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But the fact remains that you rather want to focus on me and me being so "rude" and that my behavior is so bad

Maybe, if you weren't so rude and insulting, your message wouldn't be quite so lost, would it? I expect everyone in this forum to be treated with respect. It's not much to ask to be polite.

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rather than accepting the fact that I am right.

Yes, you ARE right. The CLT is NOT, and never will be, the perfect tool for determining common name. Do you understand what I am saying? You are TOTALLY CORRECT!
However, that does not change the fact that the current rules and Ken's statements clearly show that, currently, that is all that is required for contributions.
If, as many of us have, you suspect that the CLT results are incorrect then you need to start a common name thread to help determine what the common name actually is. This way, we strive towards a better database. It's quite simple really.

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Some contributions suck and some votes suck, because they are not thought through and some people don't care so much about the rules.

Once again you are 100% correct. Many people do not take care with their contributions or their voting. That is not going to change because, as you have said yourself, a lot of people simply do not have the time to devote to Profiler. They have real lives that are more important.

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However this forum seems to be more about territorial pissing than it is about being upfront and honest.

Once again with the insults. You're also totally wrong. What 'this forum' doesn't like is people being incredibly rude, disrespectful and accusatory.

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I am obviously stepping on some toes here but that I can't be bothered about, really.

No, all you are doing it offending people. You have a right to your opinion. Is it really that hard for you to express it in such a way that you are not offensive?

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Me using the word lazy at no one in particular vs. people attacking my personal life is kind of different. Pathetic, immature, unintelligent.

The people in this forum are the majority contributors to this program. We are the ones that take an active interest in this program and its database. So, if you start a thread entitled "Lazy contributors?", it's not surprising that you are going to offend people.
Likewise, for me personally, I found your attitude in the common name thread I started to also be insulting (a thread which, by the way, has died a death).
No one attacked your personal life. I made an out-of-line comment about your contribution levels (for which I have apologised). I never said anything about your personal life - how could I? I know nothing about it.

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Discuss the real subject or refrain from reading and posting.

See my above posts agreeing with your viewpoint regarding the CLT.

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I don't need any fake attitudes and polished words that are really insults anyway to go with your words.

Nothing fake about my attitude towards your posts. Totally genuine. I find them insulting and rude. As for the polished words: I'm educated, so thank you.

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I tried to explain what I meant with my first posts and that was my form of "excuse" for using some harsh language. You have to settle for that. I didn't feel I had accused anyone in particular so I didn't have to be so damn formal about excuses.

Actually, we don't have to settle for anything. The use of swearing and insulting language will not be tolerated. Neither will threats such as "So get down from your high horses. Or I'll push you down." Treat others as you expect to get treated.

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As I crave from those who really crossed the line against me.

Which you have received. Apologies have been made.

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Thusly I am still not sorry about my really angry message and I honestly don't care if "kids" read my curse words. They are used to it anyway, unless they grew up in some right wing conservative Christian family in which case I am really sorry for them.

And with this final statement and attitude you lose any credibility in my eyes. The ability to apologise when you are in the wrong is a sign of strength in my opinion. It shows that you are able to stand up and be counted and accept the consequences.
You on the other hand see no problem with swearing in an aggresive manner in a public forum.
You see no problem with your words being read by children (maybe if there weren't people like you around children would remain innocent longer).
You see no problem insulting the parents who protect their children by calling them 'right wing conservative Christians' - offending in one sentence a whole bunch of people.

So, as you feel that you are completely within your rights to behave in the way you have I will say this: Go Away! As far as I am concerned you and your attitude are not welcome here. You are a nasty individual and I would rather you go back to your life than ruin the forum for others. Your words are poisonous.
The above is simply an expression of my opinion. It's how I feel. It's how you have made me feel.

....oh, look...I managed to express myself without swearing, threatening or being prejudiced. Gee, I really got the impression that was a hard thing to do.

The end. You are not worth the time or effort in the future. I will continue to contribute the work I do for those who are deserving of the time and effort.

Excellent post Pantheon!

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Quoting MikaLove:

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if a contribution isn't correct and I have done enough research to find that it has errors, I have the right to point that out and people should notice this. But still there are people voting yes and contributions are approved.

This irritates me too, and the way I handle it is to not vote or contribute very often.  It really irritates me when correct information is changed to incorrect, but the contribution is accepted because enough people blindly vote "yes" and there are "significant" improvements being made.

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I tend to disagree ..( in my experience of no votes)  If there is Just ONE vote no .. the contribution is put on the back burner for furthur study ( sometimes up to nine days)  and most likely.., because of that one vote no-  the contribution will be rejected ...    MOST of the time that is ... 

When ever you get a no vote.. check into it .. and if they are right .. , and you made a mistake .. change it right away . .don't sit on it and let the no votes pile up day after day after day .. The rejected contribution is duly noted somewhere and doesn't do any justice for your impending rewards here at Invelos ..

For that matter I'd like to see an area  under your User profile / Statistics --  that currently displays your past history of contributions and display your declined profiles .. such as mine is displayed here:  ( it's not a lot.., but then I try not to be too lazy either) .. 

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Member Since: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 (1593 days ago)
Last Forum Visit: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:56 AM
Forum Posts: 4142    Forum posts by widescreenforever
Accepted Profile Contributions: 1085
Accepted Image Contributions: 292
Contribution Votes Cast: 4216

"DECLINED''  __________                  ( HERE WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT)

Profile Links Submitted: 49
Uploaded Files: 2 Layouts

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Once again I had written a long damn reply but it wasn't sent.
Jesus, I am getting tired of all this. Maybe I'm not supposed to talk to any of you. But the fact remains that you rather want to focus on me and me being so "rude" and that my behavior is so bad, rather than accepting the fact that I am right. Some contributions suck and some votes suck, because they are not thought through and some people don't care so much about the rules.
However this forum seems to be more about territorial pissing than it is about being upfront and honest.
I am obviously stepping on some toes here but that I can't be bothered about, really.

I don't believe anybody said you weren't right.  In fact, I have pointed this out several times...I just wasn't rude about it.  Maybe, just maybe, people are focusing on you being so rude because you continue to be rude and are unapoplagetic about it.  If you can't be bothered about stepping on toes...a nice way to say you are being rude...why should we be bothered to discuss anything with you?

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Me using the word lazy at no one in particular vs. people attacking my personal life is kind of different. Pathetic, immature, unintelligent.

Actually, it is your attitude that is pathetic, immature and unintelligent.  Most mature and intelligent people would have apoplogized and stopped.  You, however, defend your rudeness and continue being rude.

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Discuss the real subject or refrain from reading and posting. I don't need any fake attitudes and polished words that are really insults anyway to go with your words.

Maybe you should follow your own advice because we don't need any real attitudes and unpolished words that are outright insults.

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I tried to explain what I meant with my first posts and that was my form of "excuse" for using some harsh language. You have to settle for that.

Funny, Pantheon explained what he meant in his first post and you have yet to accept that.  More of your double standard I see.

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I didn't feel I had accused anyone in particular so I didn't have to be so damn formal about excuses.

No, you accused everybody who doesn't do things your way, which is just as bad if not worse.

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As I crave from those who really crossed the line against me. Thusly I am still not sorry about my really angry message and I honestly don't care if "kids" read my curse words.

So, as I understand it, you care if people offend you but you don't care if you offend other people.

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They are used to it anyway, unless they grew up in some right wing conservative Christian family in which case I am really sorry for them.

More general insults.

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Now, let's debate the real issue at hand... Sigh.

After the last two statements you made, why would anybody want to debate anything with you? 

First, I will address this below:

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No one attacked your personal life. I made an out-of-line comment about your contribution levels (for which I have apologised). I never said anything about your personal life - how could I? I know nothing about it.

Yes, someone did. It may not have been you, though. However, in this your post, you do attack my personal life in a fairly disgusting way. You may think I deserve to read that, because I Apparently disgust you so much. What I hate more, though, is some people cheering on. Like I was being gang raped here, but I had it coming... (OK, that was kind of a joke.)

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Which you have received. Apologies have been made.

So maybe you did, but as I see it you didn't see how angry that could've gotten me and thusly I don't think you apologized enough and understood where my anger and my language came from.
Sure, I went totally nuts in my posts and often when I read what I wrote I am a bit repelled by the use of language.
If I'd have to defend my anger it's because I have ADHD but no medication. I don't know if I said that. But either way, I was angry because you failed to understand me and you acted like I had accused you personally with being lazy. That's where it started to derail. In my first post I was maybe vague and raging a bit over the top. I admitted to that.
Then with the (yes!) personal attack against me and my life, it all exploded.
Some of you went after me like on a witch hunt, I feel.

Now to my second personal attack against me and my life:

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You see no problem with your words being read by children (maybe if there weren't people like you around children would remain innocent longer).
You see no problem insulting the parents who protect their children by calling them 'right wing conservative Christians' - offending in one sentence a whole bunch of people.

You have no right to say that to me. "Remain innocent". That's the most pathetic reply I have ever gotten.
What do you know about me? You said you didn't know about me and my life?
I can tell you that I handle kids with excellence and I am equally loved by them. That's not on topic here to debate about, however.
But it's not to think you are "protecting kids" by censoring curse words. They hear them all the f*ing time anyway. By adults close to them, mostly. But also they can think curse words and "bad words" are fun. I think there are worse things people do to kids than curse around them (hit them, use drugs around them, bully or ignore them). You don't have to turn it into being ruthless about the language. But the way I see it some people really are right wing conservative Christians and they destroy a lot of kids' lives. But again, that is so off topic to discuss here.
What I mean is that I will not censor a curse word to "think about the children".
What about censoring general behavior? I was mad and frustrated, because I saw it that you failed to understand and respect me. Then this topic was destined to become a which hunt. Because of me, because of you, because of us.

The REAL personal attack was first made by Pantheon about # of contributions, but Silence_of_Lambs took it even further by also adding to the equation how many movies I have bought and collected. At that time, that was more than enough to piss me off.

I know in my heart that I am dedicated to movies and I have a passion for it, in my own way. Like all people have not identical ways of expressing passion.
Also I know that I am a good person – people who really know me well tell me that – but who often is misunderstood for reasons that I can't understand, most often. I mean , misunderstood to begin with, not because of going on a rampage. The anger comes from the back and bottom of my soul and a lot of anger dwells there, because of people being a$$holes to me and others ever so often. It's the general, subtle attitude. I think I have against my will adopted some of that behavior. It has rubbed off on me. But I try to identify it and not be like that. It's however difficult when it seems that most people don't care about this behavior. Like it's a part of humanity, to be vicious, intolerant and unforgiving. Still people like to define what is right and wrong, which most of the time is bull$hit.

Now, I am NOT a nasty individual. That is indeed the most personal of attacks so far. My behavior might, however at times, be very nasty. I can admit to that and I wish I could ease down. But the anger comes from somewhere, you know? I just react more to some things than many others. I'm sick and tired of certain things.
One thing you all need to know is that you certainly won't have to use curse words in order to harass, diminish, bully and upset a person. It's about a general attitude. Things you read between the lines or that actually are disrespectful anyway. That's part of why I don't care if I say f*ck when a kid is present. (After all they need to learn about that soon enough anyway, eh?) But I do care about general behavior. About things that actually matters.

I am quite sure I hadn't hoped this topic would become about me and my life and all that.

Anyway, while I have written this there has been at least one erroneous contribution approved.
So now a title in my collection is called HP & the Deadly Hallows. I voted NO, but two others voted yes, before me. A grand example of laziness. It's OK to make mistakes, but not if you don't want to correct them after a no vote. Also it's lazy to vote yes for that contribution.

So, this reply was a bit directed @Pantheon, and at everyone else here in general. I have explained a lot of myself and my feelings to an enormous extent.
And finally I wen on topic and took an example of this laziness that I am after.

Now, since I am such a good person with such a big heart, I will help a friend to get Internet to her computer because she has been hospitalized for two months. On the way to her I will of course curse and be nasty...(?) Especially if a kid comes around. Can you handle this sarcasm?
I love movies and I love kids and I like to help people. But I do have a bitch switch with a roaring alarm. I didn't install it to begin with.

Production Date
An example lazy contributors:
Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.. are offering  Laurel & Hardy: The Essential Collection, UPC 883476060217 $99.98/$66.xx, Shout! Factory.
So went to the off-line db.
It is a fast way to see what i have and possible other collections.
Low and behold I find two enters with production dates in the 21st century.
Neither Stan Laurel (1890–1965) or Oliver Hardy (1892–1957) made it into the 21st century.
I could quote thousands of entries like this.