Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion |
Page:
1 2 3 4  Previous Next
|
|
Blindly Copying Cast and Crew Credits |
|
|
|
|
|
| Author |
Message |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Because then it takes have an hour per DVD. A 400% increase in times for a 2% or so increase in accuraccy doesn't seem worthwhile. If anything is wrong, it's no wronger than before and can always be fixed later. By your own example, there wasn't an error before (just incomplete), and you injected an error after. So it is "wronger", to use your term. And why do you care if it takes "400%" longer? This isn't a speed contest. You don't get prizes for finishing first (or most). Time is not the issue. You choose to contribute. You should make sure that your contribution is accurate. If accuracy is not your main objective, then why bother contributing? IMO Charlie |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Time is an issue as lots of profiles never get done at all. I would rather have basically good database with an occasional error than 100% accurate data on a small subset of the collection and the rest blank because people don't have the time to do them to 100%. If there are any errors introduced, someone who likes 100% auditing can always fix them later. It will say right in the notes that the data came from another profile, so they can tell it's ripe for an audit. If someone copies data from the DVD edition of a profile to fill in the blank Blu-ray, I'm not going to vote no for copying. I'm going to vote yes, because even if the DVD had some errors, it's closer to correct than a blank profile.
Also, there's the big mess that is crew rules. It can be hard to tell what's correct even looking at the credits. Copying a version that has been deemed acceptable seems a good way to deal with this.
Ideally, we would have a movie database and wouldn't have to deal with this at all. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
Quote:
Case in point: I've just done an update on Note Another Teen Movie and found 2 cast members that were not credited.
I removed them.
I got a PM asking me if I was sure this was the case and it turned out that the cast list was copied/pasted from the extended version of the film and the person didn't think the lists would be different.
As far as I am concerned this is a perfect example of when checking before submitting is totally necessary. Maybe everyone should take a bit more pride in what they submit.
And I see this as the perfect example of how the community and the contribution process should work.
A large amount of data was entered, a member of the community checked the DVD and 2 errors were found and taken care of. I didn't explain very well - this data was used to update the existing cast. Therefore, overriding data (that was correct at the time I submitted it) with incorrect data copied from another profile. Ok, so only 2 cast doesn't seem that big a deal - but it was still wrong. The way I look at cast and crew is the same as any other field. So, answer the questions: Would you submit a title without looking at the box? Would you submit a case type without looking at the case? Would you submit the audio tracks without checking the disc? Would you submit an overview without taking it from the box? ............and so on. If the answer to all these questions is NO then why are cast/crew any different? It's not the copying and pasting I have an issue with - it's the not checking before submission I think is totally lazy. Kathy - you have already said you copy and then check the data...and that's all I would expect from anyone else. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Would you submit a title without looking at the box?
Would you submit a case type without looking at the case?
Would you submit the audio tracks without checking the disc?
Would you submit an overview without taking it from the box? ............and so on.
All these examples vary greatly between releases so must be checked. I have yet to find a film credit that is different. I know they exist but they are rare. Ideally as I've said many times before we should have one profile per film and handle the exceptions instead. Would reduce everyone's work with 99% minimum. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Time is an issue as lots of profiles never get done at all. I would rather have basically good database with an occasional error than 100% accurate data on a small subset of the collection and the rest blank because people don't have the time to do them to 100%. If there are any errors introduced, someone who likes 100% auditing can always fix them later. It will say right in the notes that the data came from another profile, so they can tell it's ripe for an audit. If someone copies data from the DVD edition of a profile to fill in the blank Blu-ray, I'm not going to vote no for copying. I'm going to vote yes, because even if the DVD had some errors, it's closer to correct than a blank profile.
Also, there's the big mess that is crew rules. It can be hard to tell what's correct even looking at the credits. Copying a version that has been deemed acceptable seems a good way to deal with this.
Ideally, we would have a movie database and wouldn't have to deal with this at all. The problem with this thought process. 1. If it hasn't been done already, why would you think anybody is going to correct it in the future. So what ever "error" you inject stays. 2. The "errors" that you inject, does not only effect the profile you are working on, but also the clt. This actually causes more work. 3. Irregardless of the rules for crew jobs, the issue of getting "as credited" names should be easy. Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
All these examples vary greatly between releases so must be checked. I have yet to find a film credit that is different. I know they exist but they are rare. Ideally as I've said many times before we should have one profile per film and handle the exceptions instead. Would reduce everyone's work with 99% minimum. A lot of the times, it is not a matter whether the credits are the same are not, sometimes it is a matter of trusting that the original contributor did the correct job. Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
A lot of the times, it is not a matter whether the credits are the same are not, sometimes it is a matter of trusting that the original contributor did the correct job.
The whole database is founded on that trust. I personally wouldn't see much use for it otherwise if I had to do all work myself. If the contributor claims to have checked the credits and it looks reasonably correct at a quick glance (IMDb data is quite easy to spot for example), then I'm not going to check every line and spelling against the film credits. But if I do detect any errors, which happens, I will of course correct them before submitting. And, as many have said before, Invelos seem to regard this procedure as acceptable. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
|
|
|
Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion |
Page:
1 2 3 4 Previous Next
|
|
|