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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
This is what I do actually James (in fact it's a mix of imdb, the films credits and my personal knowledge) and it's way better than what we have here (the database have a real big flaw and it's the unreliability of the contribution system).
But be warned that it's a lot of crazy works when you decide to do that when you have a lot of movies. I do this since at least the last 3 weeks and not even 20% of my collection is corrected. You are lucky. I would say that less than 2% of my collection is corrected. It's a ton of work, specially when you have Asian centric collection as I have. I think it takes me 3 to 4 hours to do 1 Korean profile the way I want. It's too bad that that work can't be shared. The current DVDP database is useless to me for tracking cast and crew. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Locally I use the IMDB database. It allows proper linking and is incredibly more accurate than the Invelos DB for my needs.
Bottom line, it's what you prefer.
Agree. Same for me. I'm in the process of switching from using the Invelos db for my local to using IMDb for my local (better linking and for more uncredited, which is really essential if you have an older film collection). Are there any shortcuts to go about this? In the past I always used GoodGuy's Credit Lookup + to quickly find similar names and have them link correctly. Other than that, I'm afraid all I see ahead of me is a ton of manual labor  xradman, I understand your pain. I keep all my Japanese profiles locked locally and manually adapt each one of them. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Are there any shortcuts to go about this? In the past I always used GoodGuy's Credit Lookup + to quickly find similar names and have them link correctly. Other than that, I'm afraid all I see ahead of me is a ton of manual labor
xradman, I understand your pain. I keep all my Japanese profiles locked locally and manually adapt each one of them. There have been a variety of screen-scraping tools over the years to automatically import from IMDB. I even wrote one myself at one point. Not sure if there are any current programs around to do it or where you would find them. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do between 10-20 by day, but it's mostly the credits I correct. I take each dvd, run it on my computer (I deleted entirelly the precedent cast and crew unless I did it myself previously) and use imdb to find the name linker. I also check the features, the companies, confirm the disc id and redo the scan if it isn't good (or a different one). I don't really care for the overview format, unless it isn't the good one.
It isn't as much works as it looks like, but I'm lucky since I don't have many asian movies. I keep my TV series for the end since it will be a lot of works to re-do them.
The fun part of this is that I find dvd that were not entered in my database (no idea why) and undone child profiles.
BTW 20% isn't really the good number but I know already that the profile for my adult movies will be fine since I did them myself (just some crew role to add).
If I feel like it the next step after that will be complete crew, but for that I need to find a system since many names are repeated and the birthdate can't help on this. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tarzanfilip: Quote:
Hello,
Yesterday I got a negative reaction on a contribution that said that Imdb is not valid for adding cast and crew.
Can anyone tell me what's even better than Imdb? From the rules: Quote:
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Quote:
For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. This is the reason why imdb is not a valid source for cast and crew in the online database. So please don't contribute imdb credits to the online database. If you don't submit these to the online database, you can enter from every source you like. (Locally) If you like to have them from imdb, there's also tool for adding them. (And can't be said often enough: Don't contribute them then.  ) If I personnally don't want to enter the credits on my own I prefer looking for another profile of the movie in database and copying the credits from there. And if you then want to contribute them: Do a check if the credits are the same. correct if necessary and then contribute with the source (EAN/UPC of the profile you copied from and with your corrections if needed). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Locally I use the IMDB database. It allows proper linking and is incredibly more accurate than the Invelos DB for my needs.
Bottom line, it's what you prefer.
Agree. Same for me. I'm in the process of switching from using the Invelos db for my local to using IMDb for my local (better linking and for more uncredited, which is really essential if you have an older film collection).
Are there any shortcuts to go about this? I'm using Karsten's Cast/Crew Edit 2 (link to current version). Original Invelos forum link. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Locally I use the IMDB database. It allows proper linking and is incredibly more accurate than the Invelos DB for my needs. Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Agree. Same for me. I'm in the process of switching from using the Invelos db for my local to using IMDb for my local (better linking and for more uncredited, which is really essential if you have an older film collection). Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
This is what I do actually James (in fact it's a mix of imdb, the films credits and my personal knowledge) and it's way better than what we have here (the database have a real big flaw and it's the unreliability of the contribution system). Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
I've been working on this on and off for over a year now. It still feels like I've made no progress. On the other side, I am considerably limited in my cast/crew contributions since I would have to do all entries twice, first the Invelos way and then change it all to my way. I tried that for the first couple of months but finally gave up. About the only thing I can contribute is new stuff since I'll simply throw up the actual credits and let others play around with common name silliness. Quoting xradman: Quote:
It's too bad that that work can't be shared. The current DVDP database is useless to me for tracking cast and crew. Quoting Taro: Quote:
xradman, I understand your pain. I keep all my Japanese profiles locked locally and manually adapt each one of them. Quoting Antares: Quote:
I did mine a few months back and I made myself do 25 profiles a day. It took me close to 6 weeks to finish my collection, but of course, I used Karsten's C&C editor, which makes it a breeze. If I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers. IMO the common name linking system is to be blamed. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
QuoIf I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers.
IMO the common name linking system is to be blamed. I don't know that seven users is a good representation of the invelos customer base.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't know that seven users is a good representation of the invelos customer base. I think with what I wrote, RHo could have quoted one more. Now, let us speak of statistics and sampling. When in a thread, you have 21 users that post and among them 8 give an indication about how they manage their local, you can consider this is a certain representation of the reality. Of course, numbers are too small to make a real projection, and among the 21, some gave no indication on the concerned fact, so eight could also be a little more (what about the OP?). And I know that forum users are specially interested in the product and cannot be considered as representative of average users. Anyway, with such results, I agree with RHO, "If I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers." | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Anyway, with such results, I agree with RHO, "If I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers." I have a co-worker who uses DVDP, and I think of him as a typical user. He never visits the forums, never contributes, downloads his profiles from online, and takes what data is available. Occasionally he will ask me to scan a cover for him. That's it. He doesn't care about any of these discussions, or linking, or "proper spelling", or capitalization rules. I think those of us here are the oddballs and that he's very typical. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
I have a co-worker who uses DVDP, and I think of him as a typical user. He never visits the forums, never contributes, downloads his profiles from online, and takes what data is available. Occasionally he will ask me to scan a cover for him. That's it. He doesn't care about any of these discussions, or linking, or "proper spelling", or capitalization rules.
I think those of us here are the oddballs and that he's very typical.
I showed dvdprofiler to a friend who collected many DVDs, and he bought it. He has no time to visit forums, does not not contribute, and download his profiles from the online. But he feels concerned by linking, and is very sad when he cannot find all movies he has with one specific actor. I'm sure he would vote for a better database. I gave him a backup of my database, so that he can improve all the titles we both own (he also took easily all galleries). But I can do nothing for his titles that I do not own. I do not think that all users that do not have the time to work on their database are not interested by its correctness. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I think with what I wrote, RHo could have quoted one more. Now, let us speak of statistics and sampling. When in a thread, you have 21 users that post and among them 8 give an indication about how they manage their local, you can consider this is a certain representation of the reality. This thread had, at the time I wrote this, 268 views yet only 21 people posted. Can I consider the fact that the majority of users didn't bother to express an opinion a certain representation of the reality as well? If the answer is 'yes', then that means the majority simply don't care. Quote:
Of course, numbers are too small to make a real projection, and among the 21, some gave no indication on the concerned fact, so eight could also be a little more (what about the OP?). And I know that forum users are specially interested in the product and cannot be considered as representative of average users. You are correct, forum users are not representative of the average user...that is why Ken doesn't always listen to us. Quote:
Anyway, with such results, I agree with RHO, "If I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers." While you are free to agree, based on your comment above, I don't understand why you agree.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Anyway, with such results, I agree with RHO, "If I were Invelos, I would be concerned about the usefulness of my database for my customers."
I have a co-worker who uses DVDP, and I think of him as a typical user. He never visits the forums, never contributes, downloads his profiles from online, and takes what data is available. Occasionally he will ask me to scan a cover for him. That's it. He doesn't care about any of these discussions, or linking, or "proper spelling", or capitalization rules.
I think those of us here are the oddballs and that he's very typical.
--------------- All of the users I know, outside of the forums, use it in the exact same manner. All they are really interested in is a program that allows them to keep track of the titles they own. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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