So you claim and you are wrong.I know numerous people with the  name Andre in the states and I know of not a single one that spells it André,including Andre Braugher. it simply is NOT true, Yves,not at all. This is alsowhy the Rule was designed the way it was, we actually took into consideration the concept of unknowns and if what might be applied to A-lister automatically applied to those in the lower levels of celebrity or non-celebrity.  You claim toknow far more than you actually do or even have the ability to do.There is NO univbersality in the worldof names, across cultures, even within cultures. Names i every case is the most personal possession of any individual and while you MAY be able to research Gerard Depardieu and come up with enough to validate your claim, that doies not mean that it will apply to Gerard Smith, as an unknown the best that you can do is apply your supposed spelling standard, but the credit says Gerard Smith, are you right maybe...maybe NOT

So you say. I am not buying it, Yves. I have been to France and found little difference name wise to the US, some follow your alleged Rule and some don't. There is no requirement...it is a personal choice...one which many times YOU rae not privy to...nor am I. And unlike you I refuse to try and shoehorn someone into a box when i do not possess the knowledge to do so, that is why I keep saying simply follow the data. that is all we have, i do not support the concept of data by Yves. You aren't that knowledgeable and neither am i, just follow the data. Do what you will locall;y, that is your business and i will not say you nay, but to permit you to impose your alleged expertise which only based on limited information,I will forever resist.  I have tried for years to explain this most simple and basic of concepts to you and yet on you go, every chance you get. Sorry,my friend I simply ain't buying any snake oil.

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give me some time and I'll run a screen grab here ..

here are is that screen grab from Black and White Night

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I am sorry the rules absolutely do just that,Martian. "list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Can you, for once, respond to what I actually wrote instead of repeating the same old argument?

You claimed that the rules tell us to follow the data which, as your quote of the rules so eloquently illustrates, they don't.  The fact that there is an exception, telling us not to list the names exactly as they are in the credits, means we don't follow the data.  The fact of the matter is, as I said in my post, for titles, names, roles, overviews and rating details, we do not follow the "hard data".  Instead, we change it for aesthetic reasons.  To claim otherwise simply isn't true.

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Standard Caps for DANNY DEVITO would be Danny Devito per the Rules. Now you can do as I do and use Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) That captures the Screen data CORRECTLY, while also capturing the "correct" name, we ae after the crediteddata not necessarily the "correct" name per Ken's own words numerous times,martian.

Why in the world would I want to do that?  Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) does not, in any way, shape or form, capture the onscreen data.  Danny DeVito (DANNY DEVITO) would, but your example doesn't.

As for Ken's own words, they had nothing to do with capitalization so let's not pretend it did.

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I am sorry the rules absolutely do just that,Martian. "list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Can you, for once, respond to what I actually wrote instead of repeating the same old argument?

You claimed that the rules tell us to follow the data which, as your quote of the rules so eloquently illustrates, they don't.  The fact that there is an exception, telling us not to list the names exactly as they are in the credits, means we don't follow the data.  The fact of the matter is, as I said in my post, for titles, names, roles, overviews and rating details, we do not follow the "hard data".  Instead, we change it for aesthetic reasons.  To claim otherwise simply isn't true.

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Standard Caps for DANNY DEVITO would be Danny Devito per the Rules. Now you can do as I do and use Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) That captures the Screen data CORRECTLY, while also capturing the "correct" name, we ae after the crediteddata not necessarily the "correct" name per Ken's own words numerous times,martian.

Why in the world would I want to do that?  Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) does not, in any way, shape or form, capture the onscreen data.  Danny DeVito (DANNY DEVITO) would, but your example doesn't.

As for Ken's own words, they had nothing to do with capitalization so let's not pretend it did.

Bill Cosby said it best.....RIGHT!!!!!

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Hey, do you guys get residuals for repeating the same argument over and over again ad nauseum?

I was already tired when I replied in the 11th post in this thread... 4 pages later the same useless waste of time as usual.

Is it that hard to use the online database as a starting point only? This is not a sacred religious book, you can change whatever you want in your database.

Just try it, you wil have time for anything more constructive than useless debate on an internet forum.

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Is it that hard to use the online database as a starting point only? This is not a sacred religious book, you can change whatever you want in your database.

Of course, you are right, I also do that, and think most forum users have the time to do that. My concern is about most silent users who do not have the time to work on their data. They wish to have correct data (I mean representing the movies they love to watch), and expect that what they download from the online is not lying to them.

Why do people contribute ? To give other users the data they wish, or just to please their ego with amazing contribution numbers ? Is it correct to unlink thousands of local databases when contributing a non linking name ? Is it correct to contribute "easy" wrong data, just because correct data needs to spend 30 seconds to be verified on Google ?

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give me some time and I'll run a screen grab here ..

here are is that screen grab from Black and White Night

OK, in that specific case, I would enter 'k. d. lang' with that capitalisation, knowing that other film credits could as well influence the common name including capitalisation of this person. The suggested 'K. D. Lang' credited as 'k. d. lang' only works locally as T!M has already explained. IMO the common name of a person may be capitalised in all lower case, if (and only if) this is the case in most of his film credits. And credits where the whole credit role is in lower case would not count as such.