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As I said in my earlier post, it seems that the rules consider anything that isn't a number or a letter, to be a symbol.  Hal seems to get the same impression as I do, though he didn't mention numbers. 

Actually, I went back and edited my post to include numbers.

Personally, I like the way Gerri stated the position that if it can be typed from the standard keyboard, then it can be entered as part of the title.  When the Rule actually got written, it inadvertently (I hope) changed the meaning and has created this problem.

I still believe that the title should reflect exactly what you see on the cover, given the restrictions of the standard keyboard.  The Original Title field is there to enter the "correct" film title.

I dare say we do not agree whether it is a hyphen or not.  All I can say, is that it looks like a hyphen (or dash) to me.

Quoting hal9g:

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Personally, I like the way Gerri stated the position that if it can be typed from the standard keyboard, then it can be entered as part of the title.  When the Rule actually got written, it inadvertently (I hope) changed the meaning and has created this problem.

I don't think that the inclusion of the period has been inadvertently. IMO it has been a deliberate change from 'everything that can be entered should be entered' to 'get the title in text format as it would be used in normal text and ignore the graphical sugar'. Both of those point of views have been heavily discussed in many long threads. And in my perception the discussion has changed lately towards the text only title when in doubt.

BTW the current rule is also less ambiguous than the former practice. The text in the credit block can usually easily be recognised and entered into the title field while trying to simulate all the graphics, we have those lenghty discussions if this actual graphical bit is a square, dot, hyphen, dash, or no symbol at all.

Hello

For what it's worth, its official site seems to refer to it as I Spy when it's written in the text there, although it also uses the graphical version with the dot/hypen/whatever too.

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/ispy/index.html

This would seem to suggest that the intention by its distributor and production company (Sony) was to call it I Spy.  If you accept this, even if this name doesn't strictly fit the criteria for what we enter as the DVD Title, it seems a bit counterproductive to use the Rules as an excuse to put something there if this isn’t what its 'owners' call it.

Paul

Quoting RHo:

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Quoting hal9g:

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Personally, I like the way Gerri stated the position that if it can be typed from the standard keyboard, then it can be entered as part of the title.  When the Rule actually got written, it inadvertently (I hope) changed the meaning and has created this problem.

I don't think that the inclusion of the period has been inadvertently. IMO it has been a deliberate change from 'everything that can be entered should be entered' to 'get the title in text format as it would be used in normal text and ignore the graphical sugar'. Both of those point of views have been heavily discussed in many long threads. And in my perception the discussion has changed lately towards the text only title when in doubt.

BTW the current rule is also less ambiguous than the former practice. The text in the credit block can usually easily be recognised and entered into the title field while trying to simulate all the graphics, we have those lenghty discussions if this actual graphical bit is a square, dot, hyphen, dash, or no symbol at all.

Do we ignore all "Graphical Sugar" or only select "Graphical Sugar"?  It has to be one way or the other.

If we ignore all "Graphical Sugar" then a lot of titles will change, if we ignore none, then we type in what we see as best as possible.

Charlie

Quoting CharlieM:

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(...) if we ignore none, then we type in what we see as best as possible.

The problem is, different people see different things: dot, square, hyphen, dash, graphics.

What's the "best" way to type each of those?

But we must be careful.  The credit block will tell us what the title of the contained film is, and not necessarily the title on the DVD Cover.

For instance  The film is titled "There's Something About Mary", and this is what the credit block will tell us., but the title of some of the DVD's is "There's Something More About Mary".  In this instance, the credit block would not help us.

Would DVD's like "Se7en" need to be retitled, the credit block reads "Seven".  The cover technically is nothing more than graphics.

So...where does the line get drawn?

Charlie

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Quoting RHo:

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The credit block tells us what's graphical sugar and what's text. And yes, we should ignore all graphical sugar IMO.

If we do that, then the title 'I Heart Huckabees' becomes 'I Huckabees'.
Is that what you really want? 

How's that? What's in the credit block of that film?

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Would DVD's like "Se7en" need to be retitled, the credit block reads "Seven".  The cover technically is nothing more than graphics.

Yes, while my copy does not have a credit block, the overview spells the title as "Seven" which would be the preferred title IMO.