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It is not possible to write guidelines that will cover every single thing.

Right!

But these are rules. We used to have guidelines, but that was changed because some people, like me, maintained that since they were guidelines they were not absolute. Guidelines would allow for deviations based on common sense. But apparently that could not be tolerated.

So here we are... 

You can substitute the word "rules" for "guidelines" if you wish.

My point is that there will always be exceptions no matter how complete one tries to make something. Ken and Gerri even have a pinned thread that addresses some of these situations.

And then there are the way people read and see things differently. I mean some of these topics are quite amusing to me.

For example, look at the thread debating whether or not there is a dash on the cover of...well let's see, is it: I Spy...or I-Spy...or I-Spy(I Spy)?!?

I have done tens of thousands of changes over the last year for contributions that were blatantly wrong. I believe that the database might be better served if we concentrate on fixing those easy things first.

These other issues don't have to be that difficult either. On those rare occasions, such as with Tora! Tora! Tora!, in which there is some confusion, it is important to get the communities feelings.

Post the topic, get feedback, document carefully the concerns and then let the screeners decide the issue.

Once the screener make their decision share that in the appropriate thread so that others know the result. If the decision is in disagreement with how you see the issue - lock you local database.

It seems quite simple to me.

If that's the way Ken wanted it, he shouldn't have changed the guidelines into rules. 

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The direction credits for the theatrical version reads
Japanese sequences directed by Toshio Masuda & Kinji Fukasaku
Directed by Richard Fleisher

The extended version reads
American sequences directed by Richard Fleischer
Directed by Toshio Masuda & Kinji Fukasaku

I can't find a reason why not including them all.
No matter how big the part of the movie was they directed.

One reason could be that the film makers have decided to give the 'directed by' credited only to some of them depending on the cut. The other(s) get a restricted credit 'x sequence directed by'.

The other reason of course is the wording of the rules, except if we would see 'x sequence directed by' as a direct translation of 'directed by'.

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I can't find a reason why not including them all.
No matter how big the part of the movie was they directed.

One reason could be that the film makers have decided to give the 'directed by' credited only to some of them depending on the cut. The other(s) get a restricted credit 'x sequence directed by'.

The other reason of course is the wording of the rules, except if we would see 'x sequence directed by' as a direct translation of 'directed by'.

Of course I agree. I always loved this part of the rule. No questions, just the direct wording is what gets in. (That's how I always used it) But the more I see, the more I think it's not the way we should treat it.

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Does " A Film directed by" is the same as "directed by" or do we leave it out because it is not the exact wording?
What about episode movies where every episode is directed by a different Director? (Episode xxx directed by)
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I think the movie makers include so much different wording of credits or word additions to some credits we can't put them all in the list. (Perhaps that's the reason many users don't use it like that)

Also a bit more here.

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Of course I agree. I always loved this part of the rule. No questions, just the direct wording is what gets in. (That's how I always used it) But the more I see, the more I think it's not the way we should treat it.

For this special case:
Does " A Film directed by" is the same as "directed by" or do we leave it out because it is not the exact wording?
What about episode movies where every episode is directed by a different Director? (Episode xxx directed by)
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I think the movie makers include so much different wording of credits or word additions to some credits we can't put them all in the list. (Perhaps that's the reason many users don't use it like that)

That's why I advocate to go by function instead of label for crew roles. Whoever has directed a film should get the director credit in profiler no matter what role name has been used in the original credits. Of course the chart in the rules could still be used as an aid to handle most credits without additional research.

BTW we already do this for all non-US-English credits with the direct translation method.

So a "sequence director" should be included if the sequence he or she directs takes up 50% or more of the film. So if the film is two hours long and the "sequence director's" sequence is 56 minutes, then it should not be included.

Perfect!

Hypotheticals are cute and all, but just how many films have we ran into where the sequence director is responsible for a significant portion of the film?  So far we found this one.  Are there a mountain of others?  For the 10 or so that folks can find, we can probably take them on a case by case basis.  I realize this kind of thinking freaks out the strict rule followers but it seems like a perfectly reasonable approach to me.

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Not what I said but, hey, whatever makes you happy. 

"Half the movie" = 50%

Nicely taken out of context.  What I said was, "In your example, because half the film takes place in South America, I would include him."

So, in this hypothetical example, because it was half the film, I would include him.  Never did I say 'only if he directed half the movie', which is what your post implied.

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So if not 50%, then what? 40? 30? 25?

As I said in the post you responded to, and the one I linked to in that post, it would depend on the film.

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Sounds a lot like using common sense. I'd wish that the rules actually said that it was allowed... 

The point that I was trying to make is that he is in fact using a "common sense interpretation of the rule depending on the film". I was just trying to get him to admit it, which he basically did.

I am still left scratching my head how (among other things) he reasons that "50%" and "half" mean two different things. I get very confused reading these forums sometimes!