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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
If not, can you please clarify what you mean. Thank you. I already explained in this post that I used the word subtitle only because the OP used it. For me what is important is how we treat all the texts that describe someone (human or animal) that "played" or "had a role" specially for this movie or documentary. For me, those texts are not credits, just an information. We can use that information but have to add "uncredited" if we contribute them in a cast list. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
OK. So my birds, which were trained actors as shown in the making of, have to be credited as on screen ??? Correct ??? | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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If not, can you please clarify what you mean. Thank you.
I already explained in this post that I used the word subtitle only because the OP used it. For me what is important is how we treat all the texts that describe someone (human or animal) that "played" or "had a role" specially for this movie or documentary. For me, those texts are not credits, just an information. We can use that information but have to add "uncredited" if we contribute them in a cast list. I missed that post.  Thanks for the clarification. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
OK. So my birds, which were trained actors as shown in the making of, have to be credited as on screen ??? Correct ??? I can't read French so can't go by your screen caps... but unless they are named by name with functions or roles they performed then no.... it would be totally different and not a credit. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
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I presume this check box would be used if no such On Screen Role is provided. I don't want to see it changed if the Role reads Himself/Herself. It would be no more problematic than the umpteen thousand credits for additional voices, where the tick box is selected for voice, as well. And it would be preferable to a conditional rule (which I know is one of your pet peeves). It would give the additional advantage of allowing a user to easily select or exclude appearances where the person played himself. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
but unless they are named by name with functions or roles they performed then no.... it would be totally different and not a credit. I've not read that in the part of the rule you have quoted. The text of my images gives the name of the birds that are on screen, with indication where they live. The text is what has been chosen by the director, not by me. Once again, if you consider that your image is a credit, and mine is not, we need a rule that accept yours and exclude mine. This text must match with all cases with text giving a indication about the actors who are on screen at the time the text is displayed. My purpose is not to make my images' text accepted as credits. I think they are not, as in the case of your image which are an information, not credits. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
OK. So my birds, which were trained actors as shown in the making of, have to be credited as on screen ??? Correct ??? Quoting the rules: Quote:
Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features. Perhaps the wrong wording chosen.  But to get back to what I think your example should say: I wouldn't included such groups of "unnamed" animals and also humans. But if there would be a documentation on DVD about Fly Boys and they would show the lion with something like Shaka The Lion of Fly Boys (similar to the screen cap Addicted2DVD has posted), I wouldn't vote No to such an addition. ( Shaka) | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
The whole topic was about interviewees in documentaries. The whole topic is about text on screen that some users consider as credits and other users consider not as credits. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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The whole topic was about interviewees in documentaries.
The whole topic is about text on screen that some users consider as credits and other users consider not as credits. I say potato and you say...I don't really have a clue what you are saying.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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but unless they are named by name with functions or roles they performed then no.... it would be totally different and not a credit.
I've not read that in the part of the rule you have quoted. The text of my images gives the name of the birds that are on screen, with indication where they live. The text is what has been chosen by the director, not by me.
Once again, if you consider that your image is a credit, and mine is not, we need a rule that accept yours and exclude mine. This text must match with all cases with text giving a indication about the actors who are on screen at the time the text is displayed.
My purpose is not to make my images' text accepted as credits. I think they are not, as in the case of your image which are an information, not credits. That is only your opinion that they are not credits. And as it seems you are in the minority with that opinion here. The image I posted is what a credit is by definition.... Quote:
An acknowledgment of work done, as in the production of a motion picture or publication. Often used in the plural: Source | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
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If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
OK. So my birds, which were trained actors as shown in the making of, have to be credited as on screen ??? Correct ???
Quoting the rules:
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.
Perhaps the wrong wording chosen.
But to get back to what I think your example should say:
I wouldn't included such groups of "unnamed" animals and also humans.
But if there would be a documentation on DVD about Fly Boys and they would show the lion with something like
Shaka
The Lion of Fly Boys
(similar to the screen cap Addicted2DVD has posted),
I wouldn't vote No to such an addition. (Shaka) That rule does not come into effect VirusPil... as it isn't an extra. The documentary is the main feature of the disc. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.
To be clear, the screen caps are taken from the main movie. For people who could have said that those birds were not really "actors", the making of explains in detail how those birds were grown up and trained specially for the movie, making them "actors" as were the lions in "Two brothers". | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That is only your opinion that they are not credits. And as it seems you are in the minority with that opinion here.
Yes, that is just my opinon. About the fact to be or not in the minority, you should watch "Agora", an excellent movie where the main character, Hypatia (real character in history), is stoned to death because in her opinion, Earth was turning around the Sun, and not the contrary as said the very large majority in those times. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the clarification.
Still standing to the second part of my post. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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That is only your opinion that they are not credits. And as it seems you are in the minority with that opinion here.
Yes, that is just my opinon. About the fact to be or not in the minority, you should watch "Agora", an excellent movie where the main character, Hypatia (real character in history), is stoned to death because in her opinion, Earth was turning around the Sun, and not the contrary as said the very large majority in those times. As I said... what I posted is exactly the definition of what a credit is (as I even sourced). So... How is the image I posted not a credit? And the rules says if not in the end credits... but is elsewhere (such as TV Series opening credits and guest stars)... to take it from them. That is exactly how I have always done with documentaries. And I must say... this is the first time I ever seen anyone claim they are not credits. | | | | Pete |
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