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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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Registered: May 8, 2007
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The problems here seem to be an issue with semantics.

To some people, a "rental version" means a disc that can only be rented, not owned.

But as far as I am concerned, there is no such thing. For example, I rent a disc that isn't sold at retail, or isn't available as a "used rental." But, I keep it, and I get charged for it since I didn't return it. Now I own it. And to say that this title can't be entered into the online database is just ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully one of the program owners weighs in and puts this issue to rest.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Hopefully one of the program owners weighs in and puts this issue to rest.

There's really no need: pretty much EVERYONE agrees that, of course, rental discs can be entered. Please don't let one eternally misguided user intent on derailing every single thread and picking fights with as many users as possible fool you into believing there's some kind of controversy here. There's not. Instead, this outcome is essentially the exact definition of the term "unanimous" within DVD Profiler-world.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpaceFreakMicha
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Sometimes a movie is released uncut only as a rental DVD in germany. For example "Naked Weapon". The retail version is cut (FSK-18), the rental version uncut (SPIO/JK). Some labels do this because a lot of stores don't sell SPIO/JK DVDs, but they know that fans & collectors could buy them from their rental stores.
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Edit: point has already been made.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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Just adding my "Yes" vote to the pile.

I'm also be in favour of only purchased ex-rental copies being entered. At the same time though, it's impossible to tell if it's been purchased or purely rented when the contribution is made.
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... At the same time though, it's impossible to tell if it's been purchased or purely rented when the contribution is made.

But this wouldn't change much. Technically it would just be a pre-release contribution without the "normal" pre-release restrictions, if the profile would be contributed at the rental time point and not at the purchase time.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTaro
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Sorry to weigh in so late into the game; work is killing me 

I agree that there's absolutely no reason not to add them and I have already done so in the past without problem.

On paper, a rental-only version is just that: only available for rent and not for sale. So in theory, you can't 'own' them in your collection
In reality however, a whole bunch of those 'rental-only' copies find their way into the second-hand or discount market. About half of the 400-so Japanese DVD's I own are all supposedly only for rental.

As a little anecdote: A friend of my wife used to work at a Japanese DVD rental store and when copies are taken out of circulation, they are cleaned up and sold at dumping prices to employees. Through her, I was able to purchase quite a few. Among those there are discs that are clearly marked "rental only, sale prohibited", yet they end up in my collection.

With that in mind, I'd say it's very hard to state that a specific DVD will absolutely never, ever find its way into a user's collection, regardless of the intent of the media company or laws regarding these discs. So I say, we might as well add them!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
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Registered: October 6, 2008
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I don't rent DVDs any more, but there is no reason in my mind to prohibit their entry into Profiler.  The rule says professionally-produced and sold.  I interpret this to exclude bootleg DVDs, not rentals.  If I were to rent DVDs, I might want to include them in Profiler in a custom category or under Wish List.

Regarding "part of collection":  a Wish List is, by definition, a list of discs I might want to buy.  Is it such a stretch to say that a list of rental discs I might want to rent or buy would be "part of my collection" in the same manner?  Indeed, a user is free to add any DVD to his collection.  Perhaps I want to have a collection of DVDs which artwork I enjoy, or which I think are so laughably lame that I would never buy them.  There is no legal requirement that a user add no disc to his collection that he has no intention of buying, so why would it be problem to track rentals?  As to the online:  a rental complies with the rule, strictly read.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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DVDP can profile anything, it's even being used to profile a Wine collection.  As such, we can profile whatever we damn well wish, including rental-only DVDs regardless if they are being sold or not.

Now the question is if a DVD which isn't being sold to Mr. Average Joe should be in in the online database?  I say sure, why not, until Ken or Gerri pipe in and say not to.  It's not going to hurt anyone having the extra profiles - in fact, it can only help Invelos by having a more complete collection and it will help Mr. Average Joe down the line if he buys one of those previously-not-sold-to-Mr-Average-Joe discs.

I used to keep track of movies I watched via Netflix.  It's been stated already that some keep track of movies they've rented.  This proves that DVDP is being used to keep track of more than just what is personally owned.  And why shouldn't people do that?

It hurts nothing having the profile in the online database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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Regarding "part of collection":  a Wish List is, by definition, a list of discs I might want to buy.  Is it such a stretch to say that a list of rental discs I might want to rent or buy would be "part of my collection" in the same manner?  Indeed, a user is free to add any DVD to his collection.  Perhaps I want to have a collection of DVDs which artwork I enjoy, or which I think are so laughably lame that I would never buy them.  There is no legal requirement that a user add no disc to his collection that he has no intention of buying, so why would it be problem to track rentals?  As to the online:  a rental complies with the rule, strictly read.


You know, while I personally would not have submitted a movie I rented to the online database (and it doesn't bother me one way or the other since, as Killpatient and Martian have mentioned, it doesn't hurt anything), you make a damn good argument while there shouldn't be much debate on why it should be allowed. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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The problems here seem to be an issue with semantics.

To some people, a "rental version" means a disc that can only be rented, not owned.

But as far as I am concerned, there is no such thing. For example, I rent a disc that isn't sold at retail, or isn't available as a "used rental." But, I keep it, and I get charged for it since I didn't return it. Now I own it. And to say that this title can't be entered into the online database is just ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully one of the program owners weighs in and puts this issue to rest.


I call that theft,even though you were charged for it.You converted it for  your own use,
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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DVDP can profile anything, it's even being used to profile a Wine collection.  As such, we can profile whatever we damn well wish, including rental-only DVDs regardless if they are being sold or not.

Now the question is if a DVD which isn't being sold to Mr. Average Joe should be in in the online database?  I say sure, why not, until Ken or Gerri pipe in and say not to.  It's not going to hurt anyone having the extra profiles - in fact, it can only help Invelos by having a more complete collection and it will help Mr. Average Joe down the line if he buys one of those previously-not-sold-to-Mr-Average-Joe discs.

I used to keep track of movies I watched via Netflix.  It's been stated already that some keep track of movies they've rented.  This proves that DVDP is being used to keep track of more than just what is personally owned.  And why shouldn't people do that?

It hurts nothing having the profile in the online database.


True, but you cannot contribute, wine, VHS, Books, CDs and so forth. The subject was brought to the forums, specifically the CONTRIBUTION Forum. So this person wants toi be able to contribute something which is outside the platform,  rentals are not part of someone's collection. At the point that they are SOLD then ownership is established,.
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I call that theft,even though you were charged for it.You converted it for  your own use,


Thankfully, the law disagrees with you on this matter. Many purveyors of these rental-only discs, such as Redbox, prominently advertise that you can keep them and how much it will cost to do so.
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The problems here seem to be an issue with semantics.

To some people, a "rental version" means a disc that can only be rented, not owned.

But as far as I am concerned, there is no such thing. For example, I rent a disc that isn't sold at retail, or isn't available as a "used rental." But, I keep it, and I get charged for it since I didn't return it. Now I own it. And to say that this title can't be entered into the online database is just ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully one of the program owners weighs in and puts this issue to rest.


I call that theft,even though you were charged for it.You converted it for  your own use,


You can call it what you want, but it doesn't necessarily make it theft.

Quoting Redbox Terms of Use.
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Media Rentals.
When you rent media from our Kiosks (an "Item"), you will be charged the applicable rate per Item (the "Rental Charge") plus tax, if applicable, for the initial Rental Period (as defined below). Subject to the terms below, you can keep the Item as long as you like and return it to any of our Kiosks. You will not be charged any additional Rental Charge if you return the Item to any of our Kiosks prior to 9:00 p.m. (local time), except as otherwise provided at certain Kiosk locations, on the day following your date of rental (each such period is referred to as a "Rental Period"). If you return the Item at any time after the 1st Rental Period, you will be charged the Rental Charge plus tax, if applicable, for each additional Rental Period that you keep the Item. If however, you do not return an Item within the maximum rental period (which varies from item to Item) you will be charged the "Maximum Charge" (which varies from item to item), from which we will deduct your first night's rental but will charge you any applicable taxes. In such an event the Item is yours to keep. In the event you use a valid and unexpired promotional code provided by us when renting an Item from our Kiosks, the specific terms of the promotion associated with such promotional code will govern your rental.


They even say in their terms that you will be charged and you can keep the item. Looks like a sale to me.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I call that theft,even though you were charged for it.You converted it for  your own use,


Thankfully, the law disagrees with you on this matter. Many purveyors of these rental-only discs, such as Redbox, prominently advertise that you can keep them and how much it will cost to do so.

Once again ace, a totally different issue,
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Once again ace, a totally different issue,


Were we not both talking about whether keeping a rental until you the party you are renting from just charges you the value of the item and says to keep it is a form of purchasing said item? I know I was.
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