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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Edit, just to illustrate my position :



Yves,

I hate when you do something like this...making me totally rethink what I thought I knew! 

I can not see any difference in these scans and would not know which were which.

So now I'm totally confused and will take back any opinion I have on this topic. I think I need to go watch a DVD!
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Original artwork was produced by a cover maker artist and is not available for anybody. The cover is not original, just a reproduction, using printing methods. This reproduction can be scanned (digital method),  photographed (digital method) or treated by software (also just a digital method). What is important is to obtain something which is closest to the reproduction seen on the cover.  All other considerations about the way it was obtained, have, in my opinion, no interest.

These are my exact feelings on the subject. Especially the bolded line, but the entire paragraph is spot on.

As far as I can tell, the newly submitted image is a much better representation of the real world cover than what is currently in the online.

I reached this conclusion by comparing the images posted by northbloke on page 1 of this thread, with
the photos posted by snarbo on page 2 of this thread.
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Combining elements from reflective slipcover + inner cover is an excellent way to get a high quality image. If the result matches the slipcover, then you have an image that is as close to accurate as possible to the outer original cover and looks good on screen.

I am sorry, but you have to have completely lost sight of the point of the program to be against something like this because "it's against the rules."

Just my opinion.
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I have been following this thread for four pages now, I have some experience in scanning reflective surfaces, some have come out surprisingly well, and some well to put politely... ARRGAHHHH!. To the point of this discussion is simple, I have no problem with a well constructed hybrid image of the original cover art.

Rory


(BTW The scan in the DB for the U.S. R1 relase of Avatar Blu-ray+DVD are my scans.)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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While I understand where people who can't vote Yes to the new image are coming from, I will never understand why someone would vote No. If you can't make yourself vote Yes because you prefer to strictly adhere to the rules, yet you feel these images ought to be allowed, why on earth not just click Neutral?

As far as I'm concerned, voting No on this submission does not help the database in any way, shape or form. And isn't that why we're voting anyway? To try to improve the database? That's certainly why I vote, and not because I enjoy following a set of rules.

This is an attitude I just don't understand.  If we aren't going to vote based on the rules, what is the point of having them?  Why not just let people contribute whatever they feel improves the database and let the voters decide whether or not it does?

For the record, I never vote neutral.  If the data complies with the rules, I vote yes.  If it doesn't, I vote no.  Whether I believe it improves the database doesn't come into play.  Why?  Because what I believe is an improvement may not be what somebody else believes is an improvement.

As an example, surfeur believes entering 'FRANCOIS', into the database as 'François', is an improvement over 'Francois'.  Many of us agree with him, but we wouldn't vote 'yes' or 'neutral' for a contribution that does it because the rules, and Ken's clarification, do not allow it.  Why is one improvement allowed, even if it doesn't comply with the rules, but another isn't? 

@ surfeur, if I am mistaken about your belief, please feel free to correct me and I will retract my statement.
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Really it's no different to taking say a US cover, sticking a BBFC rating on the front and then submitting it as a UK cover. Would people still vote yes to that?

If the end result was near identical to the actual UK cover, hell yes I would.

So would I. If the submitted image looks like the cover I hold in my hand and is an improvement over what is in the online, I don't care how the image was created.


My feelings exactly, too.
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As an example, surfeur believes entering 'FRANCOIS', into the database as 'François', is an improvement over 'Francois'.  Many of us agree with him, but we wouldn't vote 'yes' or 'neutral' for a contribution that does it because the rules, and Ken's clarification, do not allow it.

We would vote 'neutral' because voting 'neutral' is always allowed.
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I may be overlooking something obvious but I still see nothing in the rules that forbid this.
All the rules seem to be concerned about are:
- the image is of the original release
- the image is of the slipcover not the inner case
- it's an improvement over the existing image

I see nothing in the rules that forbid mock-up or composite images. The rules ask for an image of the slipcover and this looks like an image of the slipcover - case closed.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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Here


Thank you for the photograph, it makes the answer quite easy for me.

I must admit that I much prefer the keep case scans but that is not relevant to this discussion.

The keep case is not identical to the outer sleeve and, therefore, can not be submitted per invelos rules.



My thoughts exactly, but on the other hand we photoshop scans to remove scratches and dirt or to fill in rounded corners.
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I may be overlooking something obvious but I still see nothing in the rules that forbid this.
All the rules seem to be concerned about are:
- the image is of the original release
- the image is of the slipcover not the inner case
- it's an improvement over the existing image

I see nothing in the rules that forbid mock-up or composite images. The rules ask for an image of the slipcover and this looks like an image of the slipcover - case closed.

And I see nothing in the rules that allows for it, so it all depends on how you interpret this rule:

If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.

Nobody can argue that the scans submitted are from the outer slipcase, because they aren't.  Nobody can argue that the inner cover art is identical, because it isn't.  The only thing that can be argued here is whether or not the images are an improvement over what is already in the data base.  Unfortunately, that only comes into play if the rest of the rule is followed.  You can't just ignore the rule because you feel the result improves the database...well, you can, I can't...and I mean the general you, not you specifically.
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As an example, surfeur believes entering 'FRANCOIS', into the database as 'François', is an improvement over 'Francois'.  Many of us agree with him, but we wouldn't vote 'yes' or 'neutral' for a contribution that does it because the rules, and Ken's clarification, do not allow it.

We would vote 'neutral' because voting 'neutral' is always allowed.

You might vote neutral, but I am willing to bet most of the users here would not because it would mess up the CLT and common name.
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Really it's no different to taking say a US cover, sticking a BBFC rating on the front and then submitting it as a UK cover. Would people still vote yes to that?

If the end result was near identical to the actual UK cover, hell yes I would.

So would I. If the submitted image looks like the cover I hold in my hand and is an improvement over what is in the online, I don't care how the image was created.


My feelings exactly, too.


Mine, too. What matters is that the contributed scan is practically speaking identical to the slip cover in every way it should matter. Ok, previously black dots are now white. But since they are actually reflective silver, black is no more correct than white.

One could argue that because reflective silver seems to always come out as black when scanning, previous covers were "more correct". I wouldn't. Other than that, I don't think anyone would really have noticed the photoshopping had it not been mentioned.

What matters is the end result.
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As an example, surfeur believes entering 'FRANCOIS', into the database as 'François', is an improvement over 'Francois'.  Many of us agree with him, but we wouldn't vote 'yes' or 'neutral' for a contribution that does it because the rules, and Ken's clarification, do not allow it.

We would vote 'neutral' because voting 'neutral' is always allowed.

You might vote neutral, but I am willing to bet most of the users here would not because it would mess up the CLT and common name.

I would say that my 'we' is as appropriate as your 'we'. Both we are subsets of 'many of us agree with him'. I wouldn't bet on the sizes of those subsets. But some people have stated that they do vote neutral in similar cases. I would doubt that your 'we' would be 'most of the users here' depending of course on the definition of 'here'.
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We would vote 'neutral' because voting 'neutral' is always allowed.


Except 'neutral' is not a vote at all; it is the same as not voting. It simply removes the title from your list.
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We would vote 'neutral' because voting 'neutral' is always allowed.

Except 'neutral' is not a vote at all; it is the same as not voting. It simply removes the title from your list.

Of course, but it has almost the same effect. On the other hand I'd like to hand out a 'real' neutral vote with a comment which would be seen by the submitter and screeners.
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I'm happy to report that these covers were approved today.

In case someone wonders: I added the title to my wishlist to see the contribution, but I did not vote on it.

On a somewhat related note: Does anyone know if this release has gone out of print? I checked amazon.co.uk but it's only available via marketplace sellers. In fact, as far as I can tell there's no release of Avatar on Blu-ray available directly from amazon.co.uk...
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